GENERELL FOOTBALL(SOCCER) THREAD

[Vieira151]

Happy for you, Mo'Spain. You go La Decima, finally.

[Amazing Matheja]

Congrats too ! Even if it hurts me a bit to see Ancellotti winning it with Madrid the season after he left PSG, it's awesome for Madrid fans !
Now to the World Cup !

[Moralspain]

thanks guys, it was an exiting match

[Belonger]

Yeah, and a deserved win regarding Atletico players negative tactics after they scored. So many tough fouls (BTW, referee was really too permissive) as soon as a Real player was making difference.

Only one black spot, according to me : CR7 ridiculous, selfish and disrepectful behaviour after his anecdotal goal on penalty kick, which concluded a really poor game oh his own... No dribbling on anybody, not any dangerous strike and even 2 or 3 skids, with one really ridiculous in the overtime while he has big opportunity to score or to make an assist. This guy really embodies the opposite of what football player state of mind should be...

[ELTXETXU]

Yeah, and a deserved win regarding Atletico players negative tactics after they scored. So many tough fouls (BTW, referee was really too permissive)

It was clear that Atletico couldn't play another type match. Atletico has a good team but not a team like Barca or Madrid with 22 superstar players. Madrid and Barça's budget for this season was around 520 million€ and Atletico "just" 120 million€

With Costa and Arda Turan injured, the only thing that Atletico could make was defend well, waiting for a goal, and make a hard match. And they were 2 minutes away from the glory. This is the way Atletico have been playing last years, and the way they have achieved many titles. Being a team, with a lot of work and effort. Maybe is not very beautiful to see, but they have showed that football is not just money. It's a good example.

Congratulations to Real and Aupa Atleti!!

[Vieira151]

Yeah, and a deserved win regarding Atletico players negative tactics after they scored. So many tough fouls (BTW, referee was really too permissive) as soon as a Real player was making difference.

Really? What was wrong with the negative tactics? They lost their star player after only 9 minutes, and they have always played a highly containing, counter attacking style for the entire year, and it worked well. I don't see what is wrong with it.

Though I would argue that Real were the better on the night, I don't see why negative tactics should instantly merit a defeat.

Only one black spot, according to me : CR7 ridiculous, selfish and disrepectful behaviour after his anecdotal goal on penalty kick, which concluded a really poor game oh his own... No dribbling on anybody, not any dangerous strike and even 2 or 3 skids, with one really ridiculous in the overtime while he has big opportunity to score or to make an assist. This guy really embodies the opposite of what football player state of mind should be...

Really? What should the state of mind be? He is the best player in the world at the minute, he has only just came back from injury over the past week and he was playing a Champions League final in the capital of his home country, where every body loves him. What is wrong with his 'selfish' behaviour (which behaviour do you mean, ripping his shirt off)? Also, even though it was a crappy penalty, it was his 15th of the Champions League this year, and thus he sets a new record. Worth celebrating, no?

[Belonger]

When I talk about negative tactics, I mean big fouls everytime to stop Real attacks. I precised it, so don't react to defend the fact they play highly containing and counter attacking, that's not the point... The point is linked to tackles from behind on Di Maria or Modric... Do you still don't see what is wrong with it ? Moreover, referee is responsible of it, because it was a huge joke Koke did not receive any yellow card in first half after two big fouls (2 tackles from behind) in 2 minutes, first on Di Maria, other on Coentrao (not sure, maybe Khedira...), each one deserving warning. He finally had yellow a few minutes before end of regulation time though he could have been excluded before.

BTW, that's now recurrent problem in finals. Players know that referee won't dare to exlude any guy at least before middle of second half, because they don't want to be charged with having any influence on result. So they're too permissive in that kind of games and players know that, so they use dirty fouls without hesitating. Best example is world cup finals in 2010, with Van Bommel and De Jong attitude. First used horrible tackle on Iniesta in the first minutes of game, knowing he would not be excluded and he was right. Second high kicked Xabi Alonso in a crazy violent move, and received only yellow, because it was also in first half...

About CR7 celebration, if you don't see any problem (nothing linked to the fact he was playing in his own country or that he came back from one week injury - BTW, it's one week, not one month ), we obviously don't have same vision of football and of what a great champion attitude is, so this is useless to argue out . The guy seemed to want more scoring (BTW, it was goal number 17 for him this year in CL, not 15) in this game by any way that winning match. For sure scoring worth celebrating, who said it didn't ? But THIS celebration, really ?

To conclude, it's striking to see difference of behaviour of major stars in main team sports. Kevin Durant or Lebron James in basketball, Richie Mc Caw or Dan Carter in rugby, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady in US football, Karabatic or Hansen in handball, Rodriguez or Cliff Lee in baseball... all are known to be great teamates, who care as much for their team as for themselves... and you have CR7

[Vieira151]

Maybe it's just because I'm a native watcher of the English Premier League, but two tackles from behind or two the side in one whole match? That's nothing. There is nothing wrong with doing it. If the ref does not punish you, then it's not your fault you didn't get penalised. The ref had a poor game, that much is said. But that doesn't make it Atleti's fault that they weren't sent off, and it certainly doesn't make it so that they deserved to lose by playing that way. 'Professional Fouls' are a part of the game, because people want to win. Same with tricking the referee by diving, or surrounding him to get a player sent off, or taking a throw in 5 yards further down the pitch than normal.

I see what is wrong with the tackles on behind from Di Maria and Modric, but it's not Atleti's fault that they got away with it. If the referee is letting you do it, why not? If it helps the team out, then why not do it?

I agree with it being a problem in Finals. I wish referees were stricter in finals. The World Cup Final in 2010 was the best example of leniancy.

What is your vision of football and what do you feel a great champion is? I never said Ronaldo was a great champion or that he played the correct way. I just said I didn't begrudge him for celebrating, by ripping off his shirt (which he got yellow carded for). What's wrong with ripping off your shirt? Yeah, but he had played a few matches while injured. It was a muscle injury, so it is clear that he wasn't up to his usual physical standard.

Ronaldo was always selfish, but hey, it works for him. He is the best player in the world at the minute by miles. He can be selfish. This year he scored 51 goals and got 15 assists in 41 matches. Not bad for a selfish player, huh?