ITST Realism?

[straightcash05]

straightcash ... again you avoided answering about autopositioning . now we are done talking about r1 , would you please answer my Q about autopositioning . ??

why would i , when i create a player , add many points to the defense ?? the answer is to increase my player speed . so i can get more balls back .
but whoever uses autopositioning trick , they put very few points to defense because they know they can compensate for the speed by using the cheesy autopositioning , and they add more points to offense so they gain more power and finish points faster .they become so tough to beat , imagine a player with so much speed and power .. who can stop him ??

question and i want you to answer me with yes or no .

if there is a trick that makes a 57 speed player get every ball back , runs like super sonic , change direction so fast (no one can wrong foot him ) , recover from unbalanced positions so fast and hit harder shots with crazy angles , is that trick cheesy or not ??



please i want your answer mr.lawyer OR YOU ARE GOING TO AVOID AGAIN. in other words what benefits you and your friends is allowed but what benefits your opponent is NOT !!!

Sorry, I forgot to address that. I don't see why you're so determined to change the discussion.

I agree, it is a big advantage if you know how to use it. But very, very few people do, so it's not a big deal to me. It does make your reactions better, there just isn't really anything you can do to regulate use of it. So no point in talking about it.

[advocateof04]

Ice...we had a pretty enjoyable match for sure, but you raise a good point. You just admitted that you were using R1 for reasons other than it's intended purpose to give yourself an advantage in the match by running faster; I consider that exploiting a flaw in the game. Rob just gave his opinion too on this earlier in our post:

"I agree about the R1 shots - cheesy as hell when used as a "fake" approach shot. The button is labeled as the approach shot button, so if you use it for anything other than coming to net, it's a clear exploit of a flaw in the game."

I didn't do this a single time, doesn't seem natural...it would be like a tennis player having a nitro boost in their Nikes to get to a ball; hence very unrealistic and very arcade-like--keep that in world tour.

But the big thing to note is that you are right, I didn't complain of these tactics only because it was nearly impossible for me to tell that you were doing this to give yourself an advantage. We cannot enforce you guys taking advantage of things like R1 unfortunately. The only way it would get better would be for players to have self awareness, which judging by the bunch we currently have on tour sadly won't happen. Either we put up with it or quit the tour altogether like so many others...always dealing with this.

Almost wish you didn't share this ICE...you had 69 points to my 65 I believe; with such little between us, the smallest advantages really could make a difference.

That's all...

[ICEMAN_9588]

But I like to share this, cause it's clear we need to talk about it.

The point is that I used R1 in specific moments (not always, of course, I wanna be clear about that) cause I consider it perfectly normal.
I mean, when I bought the game, first things I've learned was the purpose of every buttons and in the tutorial I knew that R1 means "run faster in order to reach more distant balls".
It's something that's part of the basic of the game, I suppose.

Just like when you play PES or FIFA and tip the button that makes your player accelerate (always R1 for PES, for instance).

So, now I don't use it often, cause with time I've become better than I was in the beginning (as all of us), but when I do, I do it in order to get something I consider "spontaneous", not to be cheesy at all.
To take an advantage, yes. But I hit all my shots to take an advantage, to win the point, as all of other users and all of real pro and amateur players, am I right?

So technically what you're saying is right, but not for the reasons you may think about.

But, if I use R1 only to reach a distant ball, it's difficoult to understand when my players really "needs" it or when I could make it without it.
The solution you bring up is simple: stop using R1, unless if you want to come to the net.
But this would mean don't use an absolutely normal button, included in the ABC of the game, just like O, or X, or square/triangole button.
That's what I'm trying to say.

Anyway, in the future I'ill try to not use R1 in this way, or better, if my players comes up to the net, I will "support" his movement and try to win the point with a volley.
I'm sorry about that but I repeat, I've used it in rare moments, not all the time, and not with the intent to be cheesy.
I would have no reasons to do that, by the way.

[zaid137]

iceman , dont worry , you deserved your win , advocaetof is a nice guy but his problem he always complain .

advocaetof : the 3rd and 4th match i played against you , i used neuwirth , i beat u 6-4 6-0 , 4-6 6-2 6-1 .

and yet you complained ,. after our 1st match you complained , you told me u used 0 speed serve , which i never used the entire time i played this game . the 2nd match we played u won 6-4 6-4 i said gg and we both left , you never complained . why is that ?? because you won . so dont come and tell me you play to have fun . and you want me to play with you with power shots and i use an all rounded player . while you use power player with instant rocket and one of your coach advantages "power baseline play" . so that surely will give u a big advantage , i will be playing to your hands .

straightcash , i asked you 3 times and you avoided , go read my 1st reply and surely im not trying to change any subject , since you are talking about cheesy play , so both of them are involved . and i replied to both subjects in one post .
AUTOPOSITIONING IS THE CHEESIEST THING IN THIS GAME , as ali said , playing against a wall . it is not that the other guy plays better , no , it is this trick that makes him super amazing . and yet they think they play fair and square . go get a life . if i found a way to counter this autopositioning then i will keep using it AGAINST THEM ONLY.
you can call it fight the cheese with cheese . everyone who uses this trick complained after i beat them . all of them top players , because they are surprised how would they lose while they are so unplayable .

and from now on whenever you see me right you go left , no talk between us , anything related to me you dont involve your big nose . got it mr.complain !! , i just hope i play u soon .

this is the problem ....whenever someone has success ,he will have people who tries to get him down . why ?? because they can never achieve it .
peace .

[advocateof04]

Normally yours truly doesn't have time for this on a late night, but since I am on vacay this week, I'll take the time to address you zaid...

1st match: 6-7, 7-6, 7-5 Janurary 29
I lost. As a member of this tour, I take it upon myself to make sure that newer, less informed members who may not know all of the rules are informed of what I consider potential violations; so if I suspected you served with no power, I told you; that simple. Didn't complain of anything else because there were no other issues at that time. I lost as a power player to a all rounded counter puncher in a pretty fair match. It is possible for this to happen

2nd match: 6-4, 6-4 February 2nd
I won. It was a great match and I enjoyed it a lot. I didn't complain because I had no complaints; that simple. You were mindful of your serving and serving position and I felt that it was a fair match. In the past I had beat players and still informed them of rules that I suspect they've violated just so they are aware of it so don't want you to think that just because you have the one experience of losing to me and not receiving any complaints that you can conclude anything from it...hard to believe now, but it was actually a fun match which seemed realistic between a counter-puncher and a offensive baseliner. I had high hopes for a fun rivalry, but was soon disappointed thereafter...

3rd match February 23: 6-4, 6-0 4th match: 4-6, 6-1, 6-2 5th match: 6-3, 6-2 6th match: 6-1, 6-3
This is when I started to have concerns and issues with you. Your style changed dramatically; there is a difference between someone improving and playing with a completely different tactic. The short cross court controls shots were being played more than ever and I felt that it was for some odd reason nearly impossible to win a point against your serve because you seemed to react immediately to my returns, maybe this is due to the R1 button you admitted to using on serves, I don't know.

What really frustrated me was our 4th match. We were playing another fun match and you felt that I used a cheesy shot (I hit the first drop shot in all of our matches on set point from a position zaid believed was defensive) and you DISCONNECTED & STOPPED THE MATCH TO REPORT ME TO THE HOST, never have I experienced this. I tried explaining to you the rules and you arrogantly told me that you knew the rules and that I didn't. You then went on to send a series of messages expressing your disappointment in me only to have to come back and say that you were in fact wrong and of course I was right according to the host.

As we can see from the scoreline, I could only win 3 games the next two sets after we restarted the match. You started exploiting all the tactics mentioned in this thread and admitted to me after the match that you did it on purpose because you were pissed that I used 1 drop shot that you thought was cheesy. These were your exact words (I still have the message in my inbox if you'd like to see it again):

"after u used that cheesy shot on break point i was so pissed, i used this style to make u happy "

I lost a lot of respect for you at this point. So no, I don't give you compliments after our matches or say "GG" because 1. they typically are pretty terrible games (TG) and 2. I feel a player with your type of attitude is not really the type of player who should play in this tour...that's the type of message I get from WT players.

And I don't have a problem with complaining by the way; it's only when people and things annoy me that I say something. Go through all the players on tour please, you're the only one I have issues with. And I also don't want you to have the impression that people are trying to tear you down because of your new success, you're again mistaken. I've seen many successful players that actually were admired and praised, this is how it should be. You on the other hand are definitely successful, but seems to me that not everyone is a fan...sounds like people think you could be a bit of a cheese head; if you weren't so successful I'm sure it wouldn't be that big of a deal, but when you're dominating the way you are, you kinda get more attention and for you, doesn't seem like it is all very good attention.

That's all...

[ICEMAN_9588]

Well, I have nothing against advocate, he's a great player, we had a nice match and he has never complained.
I think the discussion we're having here can be constructive.
It's a confrontation between different ways to see the game.

Not necessarily better or worse, just different.

[zaid137]

advocaetof , man i dont have a single problem with anyone except straightcash , even you i dont consider it an issue , it is just difference in opinions , and if you lost respect to me then that is your problem you deal with it alone . i wont reply to you in the same way . and for my game , it improves everyday like any other guy here , but i have never changed my serve motion . i serve with r1 since the very beginning . its in my system , im so used to it and i will not change it because it upsets you or others . i remember dennieFR used this way of serving , no one complained .
and if i react fast to ur return , how is that cheesy ??
3rd - 6th matches , you are saying "The short cross court controls shots were being played more than ever"
are you kidding me ??? you know very well it is not true , i played deep for your sake so you have fun , but you dont have fun unless you win , and this is not my problem . play with your power style and i play with my counter style and the best wins .
and i always tell you good game , i always tell you you are a nice guy and well behaved ..etc . but now you forgot that but remember a sentence i told you when i was mad ?? this is not fair . and why u keep telling lies and playing with words to show me as the bad guy ??? "and you DISCONNECTED & STOPPED THE MATCH TO REPORT ME TO THE HOST" i didnt disconnect , i told you i will ask the host about it and we were waiting in between the sets but the game disconnected from your side , it gave me the scoreline 6-0 6-0 for me . lag problem you had can do that .. ,are you trying to show every1 i quited a match because of one cheesy shot !! . djarvik told me if he uses it again on big point then it is cheesy . then i cameback to you and i admitted that i misunderstood the rule , no shame in that .
i can share many things you told me in private messages and expose it to people here , but that is not a brave act .
i feel bad that came from you , because i said you complain but i never said you disrespect , and i will remind you the last match you told me you can play at 2 am cet which is 5 am in dubai (where i live ) and i woke up for you . just to tell me you are busy and you cant play and we postpond . what did i tell you in that moment !! i told you no worries mate , your work is more important than a video game .
but people always forget the good and remember the bad . it is human nature .

[kommichu]

Hi guys,

I'm quite new on ITST, playing only here for one month. Level is uncredible and people I met behaved very nicely on and off the court. It seems that this is not always case when the level is going up as we can see in the messages you sent to each other on this topic. It's a bit understandable because evrybody's here to win, and all the more this is the case of top players., even if this is a pity...

And I have one BIG question : what the hell is autorepositionning you talked about several times, Zaid, and how do people do that ? First time I hear about this but I think that some guys with Roddick on the 2KOpen or with hard hitter on the WT use something special to move quickly and be on balls in spite of a poor speed. Can you explain to me, please ?

[zaid137]

Hi guys,

I'm quite new on ITST, playing only here for one month. Level is uncredible and people I met behaved very nicely on and off the court. It seems that this is not always case when the level is going up as we can see in the messages you sent to each other on this topic. It's a bit understandable because evrybody's here to win, and all the more this is the case of top players., even if this is a pity...

And I have one BIG question : what the hell is autorepositionning you talked about several times, Zaid, and how do people do that ? First time I hear about this but I think that some guys with Roddick on the 2KOpen or with hard hitter on the WT use something special to move quickly and be on balls in spite of a poor speed. Can you explain to me, please ?

hey , i dont know how it works , but you can tell if someone uses it , it is pretty obvious ... i mentioned in my previous comments the advantages that autopositionning gives . somehow they got their player locked to the ball , so wherever you hit , the opponent player will reach it no matter what is the speed 50 or 70 . the speed , value for nothing with autopositioning . that is why you see them create slow players mid 50s and keep the rest of the points for power so they can crush u easily .
wrong footing doesnt work against them too , the manufacturer gave a big advantage for wrong footing shots specially the short cross , but they change direction exceptionally fast and get to ball and crush it (their shots are more effective)
so in conclusion it is as if you are playing against a wall , as hard as u can hit the ball , it will comeback harder .

[JohnCurveo]

Normally yours truly doesn't have time for this on a late night, but since I am on vacay this week,

That's the most interesting thing on this topic, Advocate is on "vacay".
U beautiful ITST people, let's calm down and take some beers...

caman frands

[advocateof04]

Normally yours truly doesn't have time for this on a late night, but since I am on vacay this week,

That's the most interesting thing on this topic, Advocate is on "vacay".
U beautiful ITST people, let's calm down and take some beers...

caman frands

Hey! Good to see you comment...why are you not playing on the tour anymore? You are missed in the draws for sure...

[ICEMAN_9588]

He knows he can't beat me, so he wisely decided to not play when we're supposed to meet in the draw.
In Miami we are in different sections and he played his 2nd round match.

Coincidence? I don't think so...

[zaid137]

hehehe @ iceman , i agree

johncurveo , long time didnt practice together . good to see u back

[kommichu]

Zaid, some people say here that you use a set-up with approach shots expert. So do you use Skippetrov or Makayla Brown ? (I can't believe this is Ian Moore, Elvir Christensen or Magnus Goloja ) And which is your set up ?

Thanks,

[ICEMAN_9588]

Brown, I suppose.