Regular Tour Rule Suggestion #3
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by djarvik » Thu, 01 Mar 2012 19:09
Ali-Iqb93 wrote:Djarvik did you ever play patko, Drii, Nitoflament?
Yes, I did. I was also #1 in PS3, going about 3 month without losing a match
I played most of them. Nito was tough, I won one and I lost one to him. DRII came in after I stopped playing the regular tour. I owned Patko
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by VillaJ100 » Thu, 01 Mar 2012 19:34
djarvik wrote:Ali-Iqb93 wrote:Djarvik did you ever play patko, Drii, Nitoflament?
Yes, I did. I was also #1 in PS3, going about 3 month without losing a match
I played most of them. Nito was tough, I won one and I lost one to him. DRII came in after I stopped playing the regular tour. I owned Patko
Did you ever get that grand slam?
Proud serve and volleyer!
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by Tamthewasp » Thu, 01 Mar 2012 19:52
djarvik wrote::oops:
YES!!!
RG and Wimby in WS
WS. That does'nt really count.
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by DennieFR1908 » Fri, 02 Mar 2012 22:39
Another loss against Welch... I can't even finish these matches anymore they are just to boring I see way to much short crossing can't stand it all rallies are about it ... Tried to use welch myself this match but if I don't enjoy the match, there is no focus and no point to finish.
3rd loss of the season, 3rd against welch. In total I only lost to the top 10 players godzin, likos, fabada, zooloo and mikefare and 5x against non top 10 players (5x Welch). From now on I will just always play with my normal setup. I've quitted a match 3 times in my carreer and 3 times against Welch. Considered to retire from tour 3 times and 3 times it was after a match against Welch. I will keep quitting matches if I don't enjoy it.. My motivation is down to zero again. I don't know how long I will still be motivated to play on tour if this playstyle stays included it's just fake I hope he will be banned very soon, because I'm done with it.
3rd loss of the season, 3rd against welch. In total I only lost to the top 10 players godzin, likos, fabada, zooloo and mikefare and 5x against non top 10 players (5x Welch). From now on I will just always play with my normal setup. I've quitted a match 3 times in my carreer and 3 times against Welch. Considered to retire from tour 3 times and 3 times it was after a match against Welch. I will keep quitting matches if I don't enjoy it.. My motivation is down to zero again. I don't know how long I will still be motivated to play on tour if this playstyle stays included it's just fake I hope he will be banned very soon, because I'm done with it.
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by DennieFR1908 » Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:43
Hey I tought ppl where looking for solutions to make the tour healtier by perhaps banning some setups... it seems everyone has fallen asleep again and welch users who only play evry ball short cross are still increasing cant help but get the feeling the management isn't really into ts4 atm. Rob, djarvik is there a chance anything will be done against these game raping things?
btw what i predicted is starting to happen. Top players who r done with welch are starting to use the 98/98 setups.. the tour slides down slowly but faster while evry1 is sleeping.. what a shame there should be someone in staff who really likes ts4 and plays alot who can keep an eye for these things.
btw what i predicted is starting to happen. Top players who r done with welch are starting to use the 98/98 setups.. the tour slides down slowly but faster while evry1 is sleeping.. what a shame there should be someone in staff who really likes ts4 and plays alot who can keep an eye for these things.
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by Rob ITST » Fri, 16 Mar 2012 02:33
One big problem (if it really is a problem) is that people are asking for so many things to be "banned" - Welch setups, Gallo, Babb.....
Personally, it's hard for me to see that there's a real problem - it seems more that everyone wants to ban what they don't use. We have this thread, the 98/98 thread, people complain about 100 power...
It has ALWAYS been the case that one setup dominates. On TS4, there's more than one. IMO, that's good - not perfect, but better than we've seen in the past.
I'm still waiting for some real testing. So far, all I see are ideas. The rules proposed in this thread - 90 power/91 speed, limit to 530 points (I don't like that one as much)... they sound like ok ideas to me. But I need to see more - I need to see these ideas put to work by testing them.
Play some matches with these rules. Get together, play each other, change characters, play again, change characters, play again.....
And before someone suggests it, a test tournament is not as good. You can play a lot more matches, against a lot more opponents, with a lot more characters, in a lot more conditions, by just simply playing test matches. If the results seem good, then an official test tournament would be the next step.
We cannot have a situation where we create new rules, only to see some new setup start to dominate. Then, we're right back where we started, but with a bunch of unnecessary rules that screw with the game.
Personally, it's hard for me to see that there's a real problem - it seems more that everyone wants to ban what they don't use. We have this thread, the 98/98 thread, people complain about 100 power...
It has ALWAYS been the case that one setup dominates. On TS4, there's more than one. IMO, that's good - not perfect, but better than we've seen in the past.
I'm still waiting for some real testing. So far, all I see are ideas. The rules proposed in this thread - 90 power/91 speed, limit to 530 points (I don't like that one as much)... they sound like ok ideas to me. But I need to see more - I need to see these ideas put to work by testing them.
Play some matches with these rules. Get together, play each other, change characters, play again, change characters, play again.....
And before someone suggests it, a test tournament is not as good. You can play a lot more matches, against a lot more opponents, with a lot more characters, in a lot more conditions, by just simply playing test matches. If the results seem good, then an official test tournament would be the next step.
We cannot have a situation where we create new rules, only to see some new setup start to dominate. Then, we're right back where we started, but with a bunch of unnecessary rules that screw with the game.
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by DennieFR1908 » Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:27
I understand your problem, but I've already tought of these things.
My idea was only to ban Welch, Banning because there is no way he can be made weaker, only by using less levels but that's to complicated, and restrict power and speed to 91, I'll explain myself.
Banning Welch: Reason is simple, because of his superhigh wings and speed they are master of short cross control shots, they lack the power to make normal winners, so the result is people playing only short cross the ENTIRE match, which makes the game just way to one-dimensional and super boring. There are SO many people either going for the Welch setup lately because they hate him, or quitting ITST because of him, that something needs to happen here.
Restricting power to 91: This way you don't have to ban anything, Babb, Gallo will still be available, but not in an abusing way. Where high wings and speed gives you extreme control shots, you can do the same with high power. You can keep playing power shots over and over again untill it's to much for your opponent, again just to one-dimensional and not skill based enough. In real life power players make more errors but these 98 power setups can just keep blasting every ball as long as they want. Reason for restricting to 91 and not 90 is so you can still use 0-20-0 Louirero (if I spell it right), which gives you 91 power.
Restricting speed to 91: Like I said before where power is a powershot supporting skill, speed is a control shot supporting strike. It helps alot to get you in position as early as possible so you can execute your shot better. To prevent the Welches are gonna go for 0-0-20 Slavina, who has also 85/85 wings and 100 (!) speed and about 70 reflex, all CS supporting skills which are even better then Welches. Also with even lower power, so control short cross shot abusers would possibly get even worse. Slavina will still be available, but as a realistic and balanced setup.
So that's my idea, simple and effective. I would like to test it if you think it's usefull but perhaps you can give me advice what I should test exactly.. I mean I know how these setups play so perhaps you can explain some better what you actually mean.
Oh, about this, this is so not true.. I used Welch a long time ago, but it's just not fun, it's very unrealistic and game raping.. like I said there are alot of people who either pick welch or quit tour untill he is banned. Doing so would make alot of happy faces. Just read my analyses and perhaps you understand my point.
BTW I'm 99% sure there won't be any new troubles with dominant setups, since you just exclude extreme power and control shots with this adjustments, it would balance the game, believe me I know this game pretty well.
My idea was only to ban Welch, Banning because there is no way he can be made weaker, only by using less levels but that's to complicated, and restrict power and speed to 91, I'll explain myself.
Banning Welch: Reason is simple, because of his superhigh wings and speed they are master of short cross control shots, they lack the power to make normal winners, so the result is people playing only short cross the ENTIRE match, which makes the game just way to one-dimensional and super boring. There are SO many people either going for the Welch setup lately because they hate him, or quitting ITST because of him, that something needs to happen here.
Restricting power to 91: This way you don't have to ban anything, Babb, Gallo will still be available, but not in an abusing way. Where high wings and speed gives you extreme control shots, you can do the same with high power. You can keep playing power shots over and over again untill it's to much for your opponent, again just to one-dimensional and not skill based enough. In real life power players make more errors but these 98 power setups can just keep blasting every ball as long as they want. Reason for restricting to 91 and not 90 is so you can still use 0-20-0 Louirero (if I spell it right), which gives you 91 power.
Restricting speed to 91: Like I said before where power is a powershot supporting skill, speed is a control shot supporting strike. It helps alot to get you in position as early as possible so you can execute your shot better. To prevent the Welches are gonna go for 0-0-20 Slavina, who has also 85/85 wings and 100 (!) speed and about 70 reflex, all CS supporting skills which are even better then Welches. Also with even lower power, so control short cross shot abusers would possibly get even worse. Slavina will still be available, but as a realistic and balanced setup.
So that's my idea, simple and effective. I would like to test it if you think it's usefull but perhaps you can give me advice what I should test exactly.. I mean I know how these setups play so perhaps you can explain some better what you actually mean.
Rob ITST wrote:Personally, it's hard for me to see that there's a real problem - it seems more that everyone wants to ban what they don't use. We have this thread, the 98/98 thread, people complain about 100 power...
Oh, about this, this is so not true.. I used Welch a long time ago, but it's just not fun, it's very unrealistic and game raping.. like I said there are alot of people who either pick welch or quit tour untill he is banned. Doing so would make alot of happy faces. Just read my analyses and perhaps you understand my point.
BTW I'm 99% sure there won't be any new troubles with dominant setups, since you just exclude extreme power and control shots with this adjustments, it would balance the game, believe me I know this game pretty well.
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by Ali-Iqb93 » Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:47
Yesterday lost to tino perf against his welch 7-6 1-6 6-7.. Totally lost control in last set tiebreak don't know how even when I was serving great. Suddenly he came up with even more worse short crosses in the tiebreak.. Guess his smell of blood was activated in the tiebreak that gave him advantage over me lol. Overall it was one of the toughest and great match I ve played this year
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by DennieFR1908 » Mon, 19 Mar 2012 19:37
Yea... I suggested to test my idea but not even a response LOL... I'm pretty much done with it I'm not even complaining anymore and if the Welch dominance gets a little worse and tour is definetely destroyed my motivation will drop to 0 and I will be out... Today I'm probably gonna play sh0Case's Welch which probably won't be good for my motivation, all day long short crosses jayyy that's what the game needs... I think it's a shame for the site too to many top players are lost and it will only get worse in this way.. this lack of action will break the topspin 4 tour. Sad but true.
To stubborn to make new rules in regular tour, to stubborn to renovate the failed SIM tour (which can be made alot more interesting), it's just annoying, there are so many people complaining but there is just a lack of action.
This is no disrespect to the Staff, it's just a conclusion on how things go around here, I respect the staff very much but I just think in the sake of itst and that they make a big mistake with this. Some very simple rule changes and a renovated SIM tour could give the topsin 4 tour new life... Why shouldn't you try? I mean a sim tour with 14 ppl each tournament isn't very fun... I'd love to help develop 1.
To stubborn to make new rules in regular tour, to stubborn to renovate the failed SIM tour (which can be made alot more interesting), it's just annoying, there are so many people complaining but there is just a lack of action.
This is no disrespect to the Staff, it's just a conclusion on how things go around here, I respect the staff very much but I just think in the sake of itst and that they make a big mistake with this. Some very simple rule changes and a renovated SIM tour could give the topsin 4 tour new life... Why shouldn't you try? I mean a sim tour with 14 ppl each tournament isn't very fun... I'd love to help develop 1.
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