ITST opens doors to SIM Tour (Rules included)

[supinesmokey13]

Exactly. we need Fed toned down. That said, I want to see an all rounder with more volley.

i agree cant bickham make the roster ?

Beause he is a gold coach, which we try to stay away from, and we do not want DSA on the SIM tour. When we were testing, some abilities, such as instant rocket, drop shot artist, ts/slice invasion, MD, were automatically removed because we believed it was un SIM.

why were they deemed unsim because people on itst have shown an inablility to use the skilll fairly huh ? they way i see it people will always look for loopholes to exploit. everybody is atit e.g the gov here in the u.k had the expenses scandal where they used taxpayers money for their own and took more benefits than they were entitled to why because the opportunity and loophole was there.

so removing an advanced yet yet not overpowered setup may stop the cheese on sim tour but it has addressed the issue of drop shot abuse in general and how is the dsa not dolgo, murray,fed,nole, melzer all you the drop shot as a change of pace and tactic to mix things up dolgo and murray , melzer,nole particulary have a penchant for playing drop shots.


i disagree with you there feli lopez predominately hits his bh with slice so slice invasion would emulate this . i guess be careful what you wish you might just get and still not like. i guess ian moore on the roster isn't option wait let me guess wrongfoot and approach expert are usim too right ? open to abuse and cheese


but again it is banned not because the frequent use of slice it not evident irl e.g graf, ken rosewall., feli lopez, fernando gonzalez, but because itst havent been able to change the culture towards the cheesy use slice which again is unfair to those who don't abuse the slice, people didnt need the dsa or SI to be cheesy it just made it easier .

since 2k dnt look like making another patch dsa and SI have become irrelevant as most people are try to combat the new effective sv player with IR -CP and the use of bickham wasn't an issue before so why is it now most if not all chessers abusing DSA did so with welch because of the added benefit of the red level strokes and speed. as bickham required serious skill and strategy to use and djarik addressed the chessers abusing bickham very quickly and it was quashed quickly and the welch abused gathered pace again.


im very disappointed that they were setups as a result of banning DSA and SI that can be used as a result of this liseth aguilar, bickham, elvir christen were coaches that were viable setups for all round play and weren't used often on tour or abused because they required skill to use because they are had low power. i thought the tour was going to allow the less popular and underused setups to be used you on the sim tour

[Tamthewasp]

I took lopez on a run in the world tour and granted against very overpowerd playets it was difficult but I really enjoyed his style of play, a very decent little player. Also maybe their should be a limit to say 2 of the same player in a tournament, the character gers locked out and you have too choose some1 else, this will stop evry1 going the same guy and force ppl to try out new chatacters.

[LokiSharpShootr]

why were they deemed unsim because people on itst have shown an inablility to use the skilll fairly huh ? they way i see it people will always look for loopholes to exploit. everybody is atit e.g the gov here in the u.k had the expenses scandal where they used taxpayers money for their own and took more benefits than they were entitled to why because the opportunity and loophole was there.

so removing an advanced yet yet not overpowered setup may stop the cheese on sim tour but it has addressed the issue of drop shot abuse in general and how is the dsa not dolgo, murray,fed,nole, melzer all you the drop shot as a change of pace and tactic to mix things up dolgo and murray , melzer,nole particulary have a penchant for playing drop shots.


i disagree with you there feli lopez predominately hits his bh with slice so slice invasion would emulate this . i guess be careful what you wish you might just get and still not like. i guess ian moore on the roster isn't option wait let me guess wrongfoot and approach expert are usim too right ? open to abuse and cheese


but again it is banned not because the frequent use of slice it not evident irl e.g graf, ken rosewall., feli lopez, fernando gonzalez, but because itst havent been able to change the culture towards the cheesy use slice which again is unfair to those who don't abuse the slice, people didnt need the dsa or SI to be cheesy it just made it easier .

since 2k dnt look like making another patch dsa and SI have become irrelevant as most people are try to combat the new effective sv player with IR -CP and the use of bickham wasn't an issue before so why is it now most if not all chessers abusing DSA did so with welch because of the added benefit of the red level strokes and speed. as bickham required serious skill and strategy to use and djarik addressed the chessers abusing bickham very quickly and it was quashed quickly and the welch abused gathered pace again.


im very disappointed that they were setups as a result of banning DSA and SI that can be used as a result of this liseth aguilar, bickham, elvir christen were coaches that were viable setups for all round play and weren't used often on tour or abused because they required skill to use because they are had low power. i thought the tour was going to allow the less popular and underused setups to be used you on the sim tour

Do you know what a comma is mate???

Its really hard to understand what ur trying to say but anyway ive got ur point, you like bickman but unfortunately he is not on the SIM roster, well get over it u know im sure a lot of people had builds that they really liked but they didnt make the roster(in fact just 1 gold coach made).

[DarkTunde]

i thought the tour was going to allow the less popular and underused setups to be used you on the sim tour

I think that's the most important bit of your text, and probably the source of your angst and confusion.

The purpose of the SIM Tour is not for the use of under used or unpopular setups.... its deeper than than that. You have misunderstood the aims of the SIM Tour.

I suggest you go read the first post in this thread by Djarvik, especially 'The Roster' and 'Philosophy' paragraphs.

I use(d) Bickham as my coach too, so I suggest you take a look at F. Fortis. He looks similar to what you can get when using Bickham, but with lower volley and reflexes

[jayl0ve]

Ok this is starting to sound like a cult.

[DarkTunde]

I'm a member of the Apple/Mac cult, so I think its time to get on board with another!

Its recruitment time.

[farshad]

Well, 79 to 100 total in power right?

In SIM you have 58 to 79.

See the pattern?


I think you underestimate all arounders. Especially so in SIM. The reason they were less competitive in regular tour is because of OBs with high power AND high strokes. Take a look at OBs in SIM now.

To me, All around is the more then competitive and Fortis is a force to be recon with. You will see that player win a lot of titles.

The proposed setup by you is basically a Fortis setup that is more powerful. Take a look at Lopez, he has 68 power and 77 forehand. Another close setup to what you looking for.

I stand by my statement, do not look at stats alone, you have to look at them in the context of the SIM roster. For example a BH of 54 is a solid wing. Why? ...because most players have less then that.

54 is not low at all. It may seem low when playing against a guy with both wings well above 70-75.... but when playing a match with opponent who has a similar stat it becomes effective. Granted, it will not generate many winners, but it is a solid shot that can have a great angle and depth.

Yeah i think you are right! i should just erase my mind about non-sim or WT matches. looking forward to see hows its going to be...
thanks again

[emate007]

In my experience in the WT people that use bickman do 1000 dropvolley a game and 500 dropshots.

ON PS3 it's not like this at all in my experience. Are you on 360? I use Bickham myself with an all arounder, but solely for the major boost to volleying. 15 points and volley shot artist makes it possible to s/v about half the time, which was impossible with any other coach. I see way more dropshot abuse from players using welch. I believe he's the only coach with DSA and smell of blood?

[I_Zooloo_I]

bickam on sim tour would be extremely overpowered...

[emate007]

Perhaps, but that wasn't the point.

[supinesmokey13]

why were they deemed unsim because people on itst have shown an inablility to use the skilll fairly huh ?, they way i see it people will always look for loopholes to exploit. everybody is at it e.g the gov here in the u.k had the expenses scandal where they used taxpayers money for their own, and took more benefits than they were entitled to, why because the opportunity and loophole was there.

so removing an advanced yet yet not overpowered setup may stop the cheese on sim tour but it has addressed the issue of drop shot abuse in general, and how is the dsa not sim dolgo, murray,fed,nole, melzer all use the drop shot as a change of pace and tactic to mix things up .dolgo and murray , melzer,nole particulary have a penchant for playing drop shots.


i disagree with you there feli lopez predominately hits his bh with slice so slice invasion would emulate this . i guess be careful what you wish you might just get and still not like. i guess ian moore on the roster isn't option wait let me guess wrongfoot and approach expert are usim too right ? open to abuse and cheese


but again it is banned not because the frequent use of slice it not evident irl e.g graf, ken rosewall., feli lopez, fernando gonzalez, but because itst havent been able to change the culture towards the cheesy use slice, which again is unfair to those who don't abuse the slice, people didnt need the dsa or SI to be cheesy it just made it easier .

since 2k dnt look like making another patch dsa and SI have become irrelevant as most people are try to combat the new effective sv player with IR -CP. and the use of bickham wasn't an issue before so why is it now?,

most if not all chessers abusing DSA did so with welch because of the added benefit of the red level strokes and speed. as bickham required serious skill and strategy to use ,and djarik addressed the chessers abusing bickham very quickly and it was quashed quickly and the welch abused gathered pace again.


im very disappointed that as a result of banning DSA and SI, liseth aguilar, bickham, elvir christen coaches that were viable setups for all round play ,and weren't used often on tour or abused ,because they required skill to use because they are had low power, were banned. i thought the tour was going to allow the less popular and underused setups to be used you on the sim tour

Do you know what a comma is mate???

Its really hard to understand what ur trying to say but anyway ive got ur point, you like bickman but unfortunately he is not on the SIM roster, well get over it u know im sure a lot of people had builds that they really liked but they didnt make the roster(in fact just 1 gold coach made).

sorry force of habit it seems only when i wrote my GSCE's ,did i make sure i correctly punctuated my paragraphs LOL. bickham wasn't the only coach i used, here are the coaches i used bickham, elvir christen, luke novak,ian moore, axel mingnolet, grody, mi cha seol, juraj durej, liseth aguilar. I will punctuate my post better so you can see the full point I was trying to make .

[supinesmokey13]

bickam on sim tour would be extremely overpowered...

i dont think so then again im biased i like bickham, though i was playing lendl on expert with my bickham and beat him 6-3 6-4 but it wasn't easy ,but it is a great setup in skilled hand as having 80+ on one wing allow to hit great angles when i worked the point well but lendl plays like the real lendl and he was really nice with his bh pass. the point is just like fortis in the hands of good players bickham is a good setup, yet there is a good reason he wasnt a mainstream setup pre-patch or post- patch too little power.

[supinesmokey13]

Perhaps, but that wasn't the point.

so is bickham too overpowered for the sim tour ?

[I_Zooloo_I]

but look at other sim players stats! bickham just gives too much stat points. volley shots artist is OP, and have drop artist on top of it when other players just have 1?

[supinesmokey13]

but look at other sim players stats! bickham just gives too much stat points. volley shots artist is OP, and have drop artist on top of it when other players just have 1?

ok drop shot artist i could understand why you would say that with all the abuse of drop shots, but volley shot artist no way is that overpowered .

if it was everyone would have used a setup with that skill in it remember everyone flocked to that strongest setups, if you picked the top five setups in the game i bet you one with the volley shot artist wouldn't be in it. As for the stats most people dont bother coming forward because it is easy to win for the baseline plus bickham could be overpowered.

but given that the tour is using one skill coaches ,you do do have a point i guess there weren't enough gold coaches with skills that didnt not encourage abuse to use them for a sim tour.