L2+R2 Slice after your serve.

[Rob ITST]

I use RT+LT+X on almost every backhand when I use my Sampras. I only have 50 on backhand and I rarely miss it. I don't see how it can be that any easier.

If you mean that all risk is easier, then why not counter the short slice with risk?

Feel free to ship me your PS3 though. It is the only way you can convince me.

[djarvik]

I use RT+LT+X on almost every backhand when I use my Sampras. I only have 50 on backhand and I rarely miss it. I don't see how it can be that any easier.

If you mean that all risk is easier, then why not counter the short slice with risk?

Because you cannot get to it. If I get to it, like in a rally for example - No Problem! But right after the serve, 90 serve, placed fairly well....no chance to get there.

Yes, ALL risk are easier. I can go a whole match without missing a single one L2 (LT).

[djarvik]

Feel free to ship me your PS3 though. It is the only way you can convince me.

I don't know if I can trust you. Once you see how volley works on PS3, I might never get it back!

[calvkln]

djarvik, I am totally with you. I have played poncho a couple of times now.....and his serving games goes as follows...1). serve 2). return 3). double trigger slice 4). end of point 5). repeat steps 1-4. , the only way I broke this boring routine is risk return, which gets old fast. If you don't risk a good return then the slice is near impossible to get to. I'm not discounting his game in anyway, in our two meetings he beat me .....he is a very good player with-out the L2-R2 slice, but when you add in that risk slice he is deadly, cheap shot....sure it is, but it is still difficult to overcome. Honestly, all of the ps3 users should play an expo match with poncho to see what djarvik mean.

[brgerflipr]

Djarvik - you know I respect you and your game. On more than one occasion, I have said that you are the best player on PS3. I'll also be the first to admit that the tips you've given me have completely helped my game out..... A LOT.

Calvkln - we're friends and you know you're my boy. I always got your back. Always.

But with that being said, I have to come to the defense of Pocho89. His style is very effective. But let's not mistake effective for cheap. Is it repetitive, yes. But so is serving outwide, charging and bashing to the other side. And 90% of the players do that.

Another example, if someone is a great serve and volleyer and does it everytime, we don't consider that cheesy. But it's the same thing: 1) serve, 2) approach net, 3) volley away from opponent. Don't get me wrong, I DO NOT think S&V is cheap, I was only trying to make an example.

We have to help our tour grow. And I don't think it will grow if whenever someone new comes along w/ a different style, that we start criticizing and picking apart his game. We have to make ITST enjoyable for all newcomers or else we'll be stuck w/ the same 35+ people every tournament. We all know the rules, as long as no one is breaking them, let's just play our styles and whoever is better on that day deserves the win.

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

Djarvik - you know I respect you and your game. On more than one occasion, I have said that you are the best player on PS3. I'll also be the first to admit that the tips you've given me have completely helped my game out..... A LOT.

Calvkln - we're friends and you know you're my boy. I always got your back. Always.

But with that being said, I have to come to the defense of Pocho89. His style is very effective. But let's not mistake effective for cheap. Is it repetitive, yes. But so is serving outwide, charging and bashing to the other side. And 90% of the players do that.

Another example, if someone is a great serve and volleyer and does it everytime, we don't consider that cheesy. But it's the same thing: 1) serve, 2) approach net, 3) volley away from opponent. Don't get me wrong, I DO NOT think S&V is cheap, I was only trying to make an example.

We have to help our tour grow. And I don't think it will grow if whenever someone new comes along w/ a different style, that we start criticizing and picking apart his game. We have to make ITST enjoyable for all newcomers or else we'll be stuck w/ the same 35+ people every tournament. We all know the rules, as long as no one is breaking them, let's just play our styles and whoever is better on that day deserves the win.

i absolutly agree with you

[NARCOSIS2009]

Djarvik...... im having a thrill watching you try to prove a point that just isnt there, as ive had to do in the past..... But sorry buddy Robs right everything can be countered.... its not cheap or cheesy....

If like rob says use floaters.... but if there not working its cause ure not good enough . So live with it.... or use it against every opponent and win , since thats what most people on ITST want to do.... JUST WIN.

[djarvik]

Djarvik...... im having a thrill watching you try to prove a point that just isnt there, as ive had to do in the past..... But sorry buddy Robs right everything can be countered.... its not cheap or cheesy....

If like rob says use floaters.... but if there not working its cause ure not good enough . So live with it.... or use it against every opponent and win , since thats what most people on ITST want to do.... JUST WIN.

This is your opinion. I believe there IS a point. And so do a number of people who posted in this thread. I am glad you having a thrill thou!

It is not a question of counterable or not. Returns from inside the baseline are counterable too, so is serving from tramlines.

It is simple that in this case this play is too rewarding.

And you right, we should all start slicing!

@brgerflipr1223
You are right. I will stop posting in this thread.

[SoundfSilence]

Yes, ALL risk are easier. I can go a whole match without missing a single one L2 (LT).

Can anyone else do this? If so, how many L2 shots do you use in a game?

[Vieira151]

I use RT+LT+X on almost every backhand when I use my Sampras. I only have 50 on backhand and I rarely miss it. I don't see how it can be that any easier.

If you mean that all risk is easier, then why not counter the short slice with risk?

Because you cannot get to it. If I get to it, like in a rally for example - No Problem! But right after the serve, 90 serve, placed fairly well....no chance to get there.

Yes, ALL risk are easier. I can go a whole match without missing a single one L2 (LT).

There is no need to risk whatsoever

i broke him twice today without risk returning once..

just give yourself 80+ speed and you will get to the slice, and even sometimes make it really awkward for him. It gets even more owkward if you aim your return to one of the sides so that when he slices it amnd you run on and latch on to it there is a chance it will cause him problems.

i won on his serve due to awkward shots for him, and out running him in the rallies

when i was broke, he was good i was s***, end of story

[djarvik]

Yes, ALL risk are easier. I can go a whole match without missing a single one L2 (LT).

Can anyone else do this? If so, how many L2 shots do you use in a game?

hmmm don't see why anyone else can't do it. Just a matter of timing. But then again, 6 month ago I was having problem doing a single L2 I used to play Risk Free.

I don't count. That depends on opponent. Some matches I don't risk at all. Some very little. But then some on almost every shot. I rarely if ever use the R2.

[djarvik]

I use RT+LT+X on almost every backhand when I use my Sampras. I only have 50 on backhand and I rarely miss it. I don't see how it can be that any easier.

If you mean that all risk is easier, then why not counter the short slice with risk?

Because you cannot get to it. If I get to it, like in a rally for example - No Problem! But right after the serve, 90 serve, placed fairly well....no chance to get there.

Yes, ALL risk are easier. I can go a whole match without missing a single one L2 (LT).

There is no need to risk whatsoever

i broke him twice today without risk returning once..

just give yourself 80+ speed and you will get to the slice, and even sometimes make it really awkward for him. It gets even more owkward if you aim your return to one of the sides so that when he slices it amnd you run on and latch on to it there is a chance it will cause him problems.

i won on his serve due to awkward shots for him, and out running him in the rallies

when i was broke, he was good i was s***, end of story

hmmm .... hit bad returns on purpose.... that is the best idea yet. Thank you.

[SoundfSilence]

There is nothing worse than seeing an awkward shot slowly pass you for a winner

[Vieira151]

I use RT+LT+X on almost every backhand when I use my Sampras. I only have 50 on backhand and I rarely miss it. I don't see how it can be that any easier.

If you mean that all risk is easier, then why not counter the short slice with risk?

Because you cannot get to it. If I get to it, like in a rally for example - No Problem! But right after the serve, 90 serve, placed fairly well....no chance to get there.

Yes, ALL risk are easier. I can go a whole match without missing a single one L2 (LT).

There is no need to risk whatsoever

i broke him twice today without risk returning once..

just give yourself 80+ speed and you will get to the slice, and even sometimes make it really awkward for him. It gets even more owkward if you aim your return to one of the sides so that when he slices it amnd you run on and latch on to it there is a chance it will cause him problems.

i won on his serve due to awkward shots for him, and out running him in the rallies

when i was broke, he was good i was s***, end of story

hmmm .... hit bad returns on purpose.... that is the best idea yet. Thank you.

how did you think i broke Rob all those years ago

i won 6-2 7-6 and my returns were so terrible that Rob couldnt volley them, so i broke him twice

[Rob ITST]

The mis-hit returns still get me sometimes.