L2+R2 Slice after your serve.

[djarvik]

djarvik

Since you pretty much know your opponent would short slice after his serve, is it not possible for you to gamble and rush inside the baseline after your return? (or use R1 as you return to rush up)

I know you would have tried the above, but in reality what happens? (I often get annoyed with my player's movement, especially when I want to move up towards the net, the player just strides to the side... what am I doing wrong? Is there something I can do?)

Well, his serve is 90. ...and he knows how to use it rushing forward is impossible when a 134 mph serve. Returning with R1 is not an option, it will go out 99 out of 100 tries.

The only way I found is to Risk with R2.

If you return and hit R1 right after you guy is not moving. He will only start moving later, it takes time after return to start moving anywhere.

If anyone can shine some light on how to deal with it, please do.

[emate007]

I played Emate007 today.

He S&V and everytime he would go wide on the deuce side with his serve and I managed to hit a short LT-B cross ,his player just wouldn't react on the ball. This just happened over and over. Ugh .

WOW, that was really pissing me off. 90% of those were cake volleys that I crush usually. And my timing wasn't off, the game just didn't recognize that yes, I did in fact still want to play another shot and NOT let the ball hit me in the chest, or fall forward like a drunk hobo. Funny looking, but not very useful.
By the 6th or 7th time it happened in the second set, I was about ready to quit. Luckily that doesn't happen very often, but I'm going to take a few days off from TS3, that was too much frustration for me.

[ANILTJE]

yeah was horrible. I agreed

[emate007]

As they are always scrambling toward the net, S&V players feast on short slices.

Short slices = S&V food.

If this continues, maybe we'll see more S&V players.

Would be nice to see, but doesn't really address what djarvik was complaining about, in that the server is the one staying back and hitting short slices.

I've never encountered someone who does this, but that's probably because of what you just said: I'm always looking to get in, and have my finger on RB 4 out of 5 shots excluding returns.

[Cro Morgan]

As they are always scrambling toward the net, S&V players feast on short slices.

Short slices = S&V food.

If this continues, maybe we'll see more S&V players.

Would be nice to see, but doesn't really address what djarvik was complaining about, in that the server is the one staying back and hitting short slices.

If his first shot (after serve) is a short slice, the S&V player (Rob anyway) is already standing at the net (sipping on a coffee, staring at his watch). Short slice = easy volley winner.

[emate007]

If his first shot (after serve) is a short slice, the S&V player (Rob anyway) is already standing at the net (sipping on a coffee, staring at his watch). Short slice = easy volley winner.

Right, agreed. I SV all the time. I think the confusion is that djarvik meant the second shot after the serve, as in the server's first shot after his serve. The short slice in question is not the return itself.

[djarvik]

As they are always scrambling toward the net, S&V players feast on short slices.

Short slices = S&V food.

If this continues, maybe we'll see more S&V players.

Would be nice to see, but doesn't really address what djarvik was complaining about, in that the server is the one staying back and hitting short slices.

If his first shot (after serve) is a short slice, the S&V player (Rob anyway) is already standing at the net (sipping on a coffee, staring at his watch). Short slice = easy volley winner.

No Cro

I am terrible at explaining things
The server, is the one using the slice.
Say you serve to Rob, he returns, you short slice. Rob is standing a good 2-3 steps behind the baseline on returns, for a good reason, because your serve is 90 and booming. He returns and stands back, he never thinks of approaching the net on return games, unless there is a clear an easy opening. So not that he made that return, you cut it short with double trigger slice. He either doesn't reach it (90% of the time), or he barely touches it, setting you up for a winner. Repeat on every serve. Repeat on every service game. repeat on every set. repeat on every match.

Disclaimer: Dramatization elements were used above to illustrate how annoying that is.

[Pogagna]

double slice after a serve is the cheapest way to score, full stop. cheap enough to call it cheese? i dunno, surely it's not that realiastic. plus, if your opponent craps the return u're likely to miss. whatever, i never do it because it's too cheap. and i'm one that slices a damn lot...maybe it's an italian thing

[djarvik]

If his first shot (after serve) is a short slice, the S&V player (Rob anyway) is already standing at the net (sipping on a coffee, staring at his watch). Short slice = easy volley winner.

Right, agreed. I SV all the time. I think the confusion is that djarvik meant the second shot after the serve, as in the server's first shot after his serve. The short slice in question is not the return itself.

Thanks!

You might be the only one who understood me Now I feel stupid.

[djarvik]

double slice after a serve is the cheapest way to score, full stop. cheap enough to call it cheese? i dunno, surely it's not that realiastic. plus, if your opponent craps the return u're likely to miss. whatever, i never do it because it's too cheap. and i'm one that slices a damn lot...maybe it's an italian thing

THANK YOU!

[Rob ITST]

The short slices in a rally can surprise you and be tough to handle. If it's always hit at the same time, you know it's coming. If you feel you don't have time to recover after your return, try hitting a floater. Then, since you know it's gonna be a short slice, step in. Then, you have plenty of options: a short slice of your own, an approach shot, a sharp angled topspin,.....

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

so rob,what you think personally when somebody played every 2 ball a slow short slice?

[Rob ITST]

My last opponent did this. In the end it cost him the match.

I'll say this too - it's better than wide serves followed by flat 90/90/90 shots to the other side.

[djarvik]

The short slices in a rally can surprise you and be tough to handle. If it's always hit at the same time, you know it's coming. If you feel you don't have time to recover after your return, try hitting a floater. Then, since you know it's gonna be a short slice, step in. Then, you have plenty of options: a short slice of your own, an approach shot, a sharp angled topspin,.....

Simple, if he sees a floater he doesn't slice. ....trust me, I tried that.

[djarvik]

My last opponent did this. In the end it cost him the match.

I'll say this too - it's better than wide serves followed by flat 90/90/90 shots to the other side.

That is true. I am almost tempted to ship you my PS3 for the weekend so you can check it out. It is different then on XBOX, much different.

Risk on PS3 is MUCH easier, hell, I rarely miss risk on PS3 at all! ...and you played me plenty times Rob to see that I miss risk a lot on XBOX.

With all the respect to XBOX players, but Pogagna just reassured me of my opinion. ....and he has the reputation on PS3 and is gaining on XBOX to make his opinion count.