the cheesy returns

[Tantsutallinn]

i played a guy who had 30 on volley speed and stamina

everything else was 90-100 and he was all the time returning near the service line. i mixed it up with fast serves slow serves, kick serves slice serves and all i could do was to hold my serve once after 5 deuces of boredom.

there is no rule in itst that u cant use it, and even 40-90 wouldnt solve this problem, cos the returns come back before the service animation is over and even if i make a slow serve, then i just about can stumble to hit the weak shot back. serving hard against this kind of return is totally useless, cos then my feet would be still in the air and the return would be already past me.

so what do you guys think

[ANILTJE]

Well the return from within the baseline , or close to the baseline is a nice idea . But to attack a second serve that is.

Pity enough it is so easy to pull of a first serve that you can hit a second serve as a first serve.
It should have been made so hard that you were obliged to hit a softer and safer second serve . If then your second serve would stink someone could attack the second serve , but then also returning from inside the baseline should have been made much harder again.

Right now it is possible to return (hard maxed out) serves with really low stats of return from within the baseline too easy. Which is crap .


I had matches on xboxlive where someone would return normal then in the tiebreak move inside the baseline and return there meaning I would loose there . I think most players know this is cheesy .

I personally wouldn't use it . I see no beauty in winning my matches like that But I am sure there will always be players who'll do this as there is nothing written about it nowhere. Maybe this will change sooner or later when people keep abusing it.

[pink moozipan]

what do you mean by "near service line returns"
standing inside the court for the return or standing in the middle to return ?

[Yappadappadu]

I myself often step in to avoid being killed by those cheesy out wide slice serves, though I don't know if the way I return is considered cheesy. If I always stay behind, kick serves fly over my head and I can't return them unless I stand way behind the base line. Did I miss something or is there an other way to return serve?

[pink moozipan]

here´s picture of a player returning from the middle



and here from inside the court

[Yappadappadu]

and here from inside the court

That's how I often position my character, though I tend to move him more to the right to (risk) return wide out slice serves, since I usually hit the ball right after it bounced. If that is considered cheesy, how else would I be able to avoid being constantly outaced by cheesy out wide slice servers?
Isn't the idea of stepping in exactly that? Going for the winner? But I admit that up to now, most of my opponents only hit normal returns, and most of my risk returns attempts fail, so I don't have enough experience yet.

[Tantsutallinn]

as far as reurning slice serve inside the court i can agree when its not lt rt slice, though i dont use it myself

but youre not talking about returning the flat quick serves - near service line you can return before the opponent finishes service motion and he cant even get to them

im talking about risk returns, LT RT slice returns

[Yappadappadu]

Ooh, you were talking about the RT+LT Slice return. Yeah, I think we all agree that this shot is cheesy. I was refering to normal risk returns.

[Rob ITST]

I see nothing cheesy about the wide slice serve. I think everyone is just so used to other games where you didn't even have to move to return serve. If you have decent speed and return stats, you can return any serve from a normal position. And you don't even need risk returns to win points.

It's not easy against a big server, but I don't think it should be.

But the risk slice from WAY inside the baseline? I think it's clear how most people feel about that.

[Yappadappadu]

My opinion probably stems from the slow ass slice serves which were prominent in TS 1-2. And if someone is constantly using the same wide out slice serve, then it pisses me off, as simple as that.

By "way inside the baseline", do you mean ppl who serve right from the middle of the court? Is that even more cheesy than serving from out wide?

I have my doubts about being able to return all kinds of serves from a normal position, as you say, but we'll see about that once I've played some more.

[Rob ITST]

My opinion probably stems from the slow ass slice serves which were prominent in TS 1-2. And if someone is constantly using the same wide out slice serve, then it pisses me off, as simple as that.

I know how you feel there. The big difference between TS 1-2 and now: On TS1-2 it was more effective to hit crappy serves. Now it's much more realistic.

By way inside the baseline, do you mean ppl who serve right from the middle of the court? Is that even more cheesy than serving from out wide?

I meant returning from right behind the service line. I think more people are serving from the middle to cover the risk return down the line.

[Chris ITST]

I like cheese.

[Mack2300]

Unfortunately, cheese play is a big feature of ITST, just looks at some of the top ranked players' stats. We just have to put up with it.

[Rob ITST]

Unfortunately, cheese play is a big feature of ITST, just looks at some of the top ranked players' stats. We just have to put up with it.

You're 100% wrong there. We don't allow cheesy play. The 40/90 rule starts at the US Open, and if someone uses cheesy tactics, you should report it to the host.

Eventhough I think the 40/90 rule is better for the game, personally I don't consider the 100 power/fh/bh characters cheesy. There's noting unfair about it, it's just an easier way to play.

[picachu211]

Do we have to start a poll like this every two weeks?
Seriously, something has to be done for these buggers!