Its Not Always About Power SMH

[GRIMMJOW2099]

I Noticed When I Play That Alot Of People Make Powerful Players....100 Power 100 Serve Nothing Else...I Found A Way To Eliminate Power And Keep Them Running...Slice Return The Serve Deep or Short Doesn't Matter You Keep The Ball In The Court...They Have No Speed So Hit The Ball To The Open Court Hit Some Winners I Guarantee You Will Win...Just Don't Get Broken Lol....If You Have Trouble With Power Players Let Me Know What You Need Help With...I'll Make Sure You Never Lose To These OP Players

[R0CK GAMER]

I Guarantee You Will Win...Just Don't Get Broken

So you made a post on how to beat power players in a tiebreak?..

They Have No Speed So Hit The Ball To The Open Court Hit Some Winners

Have you ever played Swifty512, DeathDoUsPart20 or BrushedBigJJ?

these guy's all use players with low speed but this tatic just won't work against them.

[Burna747]

When you make long slice returns they will step forward and hit winners before the ball bounces on the ground. You will lose every match with that style against every power player who can play a bit.
Btw brushed never used power setups.

[ICEMAN_9588]

First of all, yes, slice return is the best answer against power players.
Second of all, it's not so effective.

If a power player serves from the tramline, slice cannot always be accurate as you're saying (you mentioned 100 power, so we're talking about World Tour).
Not only, cause if he serves with slice or kick, it becomes more difficult to be dangerous using slice return.

But anyway, this shot is better than flat or top spin return, cause if the serve is sliced (for instance) return cannot be very fast.
You need to be sure where the opponent will serve, and how he will serve, to use flat/top spin return.

In ITST service is not so incisive. I mean, it's important of course, but not the best weapon.
Serving near the middle baseline reduces the chance to hit street angles, and setup limitations can give you max 90 power (or something like that).

[R0CK GAMER]

Btw brushed never used power setups.

I'm referring to he's Rabari guy (90 power with only 47 speed) it's wasn't for ITST though.

And i think with guy's like Swifty who steps in and takes the ball out of the air
(BTW i don't how he doe's that, not even i can do that, lol.)
It would be impossible to break him, for me anyways

Death does that too! and it's very rare to see him playing a shot without using the RB button
I really am not a fan on how he plays, but i can understand him playing to he's strength,
I really wish he would use another player that considered "Fair" but at the same time
i can't really tell him how to play.

So overall i don't think "slicing" the return will work against most of the big servers
you have to do more, and keep them guessing
that's what i would do.

[supinesmokey13]

Btw brushed never used power setups.

I'm referring to he's Rabari guy (90 power with only 47 speed) it's wasn't for ITST though.

And i think with guy's like Swifty who steps in and takes the ball out of the air
(BTW i don't how he doe's that, not even i can do that, lol.)
It would be impossible to break him, for me anyways

Death does that too! and it's very rare to see him playing a shot without using the RB button
I really am not a fan on how he plays, but i can understand him playing to he's strength,
I really wish he would use another player that considered "Fair" but at the same time
i can't really tell him how to play.

So overall i don't think "slicing" the return will work against most of the big servers
you have to do more, and keep them guessing
that's what i would do.

if he is using rb you can time the counter just stand a little further back and time when he uses the shot and counter with a control shot i rarely lose to power players because i can stand further back on the return if they are tram serving since no really serve and volleys with myself a notable exception i can chip it deep or use topspin and hit the looping return ala nadal. as for guys half volleying of swing volleying your chip return you need to time it better if its perfect they wont be able to do that also every once it a while step in and try to take the return early . if im feeling it i may just try using the flat return with bickhams 70 reflex if i time it right it gives me a winner, error, or short ball.

i dont play world tour the connection is dodgy though the better cheesy power players are they the power guys in exhibition are cannon fodder now the rabry guys on ITST are on a different level but think i have crafted the right setup for me to try and compete with the other top guys its tough when you refuse to 'adapt' and use a top tier setup

[R0CK GAMER]

if he is using rb you can time the counter just stand a little further back and time when he uses the shot and counter with a control shot i rarely lose to power players because i can stand further back on the return if they are tram serving since no really serve and volleys with myself a notable exception i can chip it deep or use topspin and hit the looping return ala nadal. as for guys half volleying of swing volleying your chip return you need to time it better if its perfect they wont be able to do that also every once it a while step in and try to take the return early . if im feeling it i may just try using the flat return with bickhams 70 reflex if i time it right it gives me a winner, error, or short ball.

Thanks for the help SupineSmokey, will try this out
I have experiment with nearly every single build there is but haven't yet found a build that's
perfect for handling the big servers, i'm always changing players though.
I usually just use "Topspin" when playing guys with a serve from 85-100.
But when they serve and volley i don't find away around it.
If i use topspin it's an easy volley winner, but if i slice it
they can run up into the net and drop volley.

i dont play world tour the connection is dodgy though the better cheesy power players are they the power guys in exhibition are cannon fodder now the rabry guys on ITST are on a different level but think i have crafted the right setup for me to try and compete with the other top guys its tough when you refuse to 'adapt' and use a top tier setup

Yeah, i'm not playing WT either, beacause i get disconnected when waiting in a lobby
and even more than that, most people are using David Gallo, Steven Babb or Drew Welch.

[ICEMAN_9588]

Btw brushed never used power setups.

I'm referring to he's Rabari guy (90 power with only 47 speed) it's wasn't for ITST though.

And i think with guy's like Swifty who steps in and takes the ball out of the air
(BTW i don't how he doe's that, not even i can do that, lol.)
It would be impossible to break him, for me anyways

Death does that too! and it's very rare to see him playing a shot without using the RB button
I really am not a fan on how he plays, but i can understand him playing to he's strength,
I really wish he would use another player that considered "Fair" but at the same time
i can't really tell him how to play.

So overall i don't think "slicing" the return will work against most of the big servers
you have to do more, and keep them guessing
that's what i would do.

Well, on TS4 speed "beats" power.
I mean to say, 47 speed is not the equivalent of 47 power (and vice versa). You can properly face a 100 power player even with less than 55 (or 50) speed.
That's why I don't understand users that create players with Snezana Slavina, 90-100 speed...that's too much, what do you do with all that speed?

For what concerns swifty, I've faced him a lot of times (on PS3), in friendly and tournament matches. And I can say he doesn't use R1 button (I think it's the equivalent for RB on Xbox). Or better, he can release it before hitting the ball, so the player doesn't make one or 2 steps ahead before getting back on the baseline.
But he's really good in the situation you mentioned. When you hit the serve, your player is with the feet on the baseline, or even a little further in the court.
So if the return is very fast or deep, you dont have the time to go back, and you're forced to hit a semi-volley. In order to avoid that, you can make a little step further, and hit it before it touches the ground.

It's a clever tactic, in my opinion.

[Agassi_Return]

My fav topic again Using only slice return works only vs. power noobs or guys who serves from the middle of the court. If the guy serves from the corners and uses all dirty tactics as outwide serve you will lose many points only by returning with slice. Some guy sucks in this game so they learned with 98/98 100/91 attributes to serve from the corners on lines which is easy to learn because of the ridiculous easy serve and nearly no risk for double fault..for example eneszule. You have three options here:

1. Keep doing slice returns.
2. Going for the power return when the guy serves with X and not analog stick which eneszule normally do.
3. Play lobs return. Yes its cheesy but hey fight fire with fire. If the opponent adapts to your lobs and rushes forward play long slice return.

@Hi ICEMAN

I mean to say, 47 speed is not the equivalent of 47 power (and vice versa). You can properly face a 100 power player even with less than 55 (or 50) speed.
That's why I don't understand users that create players with Snezana Slavina, 90-100 speed...that's too much, what do you do with all that speed?

When you face 98/98 or 100/91 guy in wt mode with 40-50 speed it will be hard to get in the game because of the cheesy playstyle of many player in wt mode. So you will go in tie break which makes the whole game as penalty shootout in football....and i hate this!
The reason why i prefere 85-95 speed is:

1.Trameline serve: You need the speed to reach the next ball after your return because 90% of all points from my opponent are made of the same cheesy tactics: Serve, I return, he makes the point with the next shot. This is how 80% of all WT players play.
2. More Speed = better conrol shots.
3. I love to play counter shots out from my defence.

[ICEMAN_9588]

Hi mate
I said you can properly face a 100 power player with 50-55 speed, I didn't say it would have been easy.

For all my "life" online on TS4, I've always used offensive players. I myself was a 100 power player (but no cheesy tactics, no tramline serve, no lobs, no defensive dropshots, wefan/agassi return can confirm it).
And I've always thought that power players were the easiest to defeat. But in order to do that, you must have perfect timing on the ball.

Now, when the other guy knows only one way to play, playing X button all the time, you can find some "rythm" in his shots, so you can find your right timing and take the lead in the rally, taking advantage of their low speed.

Yes, returning is difficult, especially against tramline serve, but if you want to play in WT you have to deal with it.
Anyway, when a player is weak, the difference will come up in the tb. Only few times I've lost tb against weak users that have super-serve.
But there are also good players that uses these tactics in a better way. For example, I think eneszule is a pretty good player.

Problem is, that he thinks to be better than he actually is, cause he plays like wefan said moments ago.
I invited him to play ITST, but he left after few matches (he even won a challenger, so he's not so bad). He said there are too many rules here.
That's true, but the real reason is that he loves stats above all, and he already knows that he cannot get here the (fake) stats that he has in WT.

PS But don't tell him, he'll never admit it XD

[ICEMAN_9588]

PS @Agassi return: I forgot, I tried defensive setups in the past, just like you suggested me long ago.
But I don't like them, for 2 reasons.

1. I like to lead the rally, I prefer offensive game style.
2. Master these kind of player means have more than perfect timing on the ball, cause you need more control shots (since you don't have too much power). I may be good in that, but not "that" good, at the top players level (I'm talking about ITST players).

[Belonger]

Hi mate
I said you can properly face a 100 power player with 50-55 speed, I didn't say it would have been easy.

For all my "life" online on TS4, I've always used offensive players. I myself was a 100 power player (but no cheesy tactics, no tramline serve, no lobs, no defensive dropshots, wefan/agassi return can confirm it).
And I've always thought that power players were the easiest to defeat. But in order to do that, you must have perfect timing on the ball.

Now, when the other guy knows only one way to play, playing X button all the time, you can find some "rythm" in his shots, so you can find your right timing and take the lead in the rally, taking advantage of their low speed.

Yes, returning is difficult, especially against tramline serve, but if you want to play in WT you have to deal with it.
Anyway, when a player is weak, the difference will come up in the tb. Only few times I've lost tb against weak users that have super-serve.
But there are also good players that uses these tactics in a better way. For example, I think eneszule is a pretty good player.

Problem is, that he thinks to be better than he actually is, cause he plays like wefan said moments ago.
I invited him to play ITST, but he left after few matches (he even won a challenger, so he's not so bad). He said there are too many rules here.
That's true, but the real reason is that he loves stats above all, and he already knows that he cannot get here the (fake) stats that he has in WT.

PS But don't tell him, he'll never admit it XD

Above all, Eneszule is an unpleasant guy who uses all cheesy ways to take a win.

When he was on ITST, he played without never centering on serve (which means he was near tramline after 2 serve games as player naturally goes to the wide side little by litlle when you dont re-center at beginning of match), used 100% of times sliced wide serves and also defensive dropshots or lobs though opponent was in backcourt when he was dominated in a rally. In summary, exactly the kind of guy nobody wants to see here. Besides, I believe he had problem with hosts about his play style.

On WT, well, I won't make the list of his cheesy weapons, it would be too long because he uses all of them. For sure, he's quite a good player so with such weapons, he gets very high stats on WT. But for what ? for who ? I'm sure people playing WT don't consider him as a real top player though his stats, contrary to Losc12, machiavelman or you .

[ICEMAN_9588]

Above all, Eneszule is an unpleasant guy who uses all cheesy ways to take a win.

When he was on ITST, he played without never centering on serve (which means he was near tramline after 2 serve games as player naturally goes to the wide side little by litlle when you dont re-center at beginning of match), used 100% of times sliced wide serves and also defensive dropshots or lobs though opponent was in backcourt when he was dominated in a rally. In summary, exactly the kind of guy nobody wants to see here. Besides, I believe he had problem with hosts about his play style.

On WT, well, I won't make the list of his cheesy weapons, it would be too long because he uses all of them. For sure, he's quite a good player so with such weapons, he gets very high stats on WT. But for what ? for who ? I'm sure people playing WT don't consider him as a real top player though his stats, contrary to Losc12, machiavelman or you .

Thanks mate, but I'm pretty sure I'm not even in the all time top 10 of the World Tour. But apart of Losc and Wefan, I can say I've defeated them all at least once
I asked machiavellman to join ITST more than once, but he keeps saying he doesn't speak english very well. I told him the rules are in french too, but he still didn't make a decision.

About eneszule game play here on ITST, I took for granted the fact that he followed the rules of this tour. I don't think he has problem with hosts, he has problems only with the rules.
I don't agree with all ITST limitations, but I consider it a challenge, he considers it...a limitation.

The issue comes up when he thinks he's better than the best players in ITST just because he defeated Dennie or Eloy in WT, where everything counts.
I would like to see a match with him agst Dennie or Eloy (or Hassan, or Obskur) using a 100 power player and serving from tramline. Who knows who would win...

[chris_high]

I played Eneszule yesterday on 2K, nadal/nadal on hard. (I can't remember if I already plaed him before)
He played pretty good and pretty fair (exept serves almost tramline, and maybe one or two defensive lob/drophhot).
I won first game, then he played for the 3 following games only on my backhand again and again until I short the ball and then he attacks...I thought it was a poor technik but I spent 3 games to be use to that. He won the first set 3-1 (**** timing for me), I won the second 3-0 (I think he made 2 points during this set, i was on fire^^), and we were at 6-6 during tie-break when he played 4 dropshot in arrow to end the game...
He then sent me a fairplay "good game". I answer same, because he actually play really good, but I asked him why playing only my back hand and why these dropshot at the end? He said "sometimes I hate long rallyes"...lol yeah, I guess he meant that he plays cheesy only when he is in trouble and for decisive moment^^
Anyway, just to say that for me he is far away from Dennie level for exemple. And he will never beat him with two regular itst created players.

[Timo Ojala]

I got to say, i hate to play against these superpower, superserve players, not even human to make serves over 240 km/h, every time...i just try to get the speed off from the ball, that time. I have always play fair and do not use any codes, that some i must say got to use, some unhuman speed suddenly when running. I really hope some good and fair matches, if i lose i lose, NP, but atleast is fair !