Stan vs Rafa

[Saarbrigga]

( and i say healthy because according to your posts Nadal is always making up injuries, and this time he was also making it up)

That s the problem.

I mean, it can t be for real that ANY time he loses an important match he s injured in any kind.

What s the similarity of Söderling, Del Potro and Wawrinka?
They don t have much...but they all did the same thing when beating Rafa (Söderling and DelPo 2009, Wawrinka 2014).

They are hard hitter s on both wings, fore- and backhand. And that s the way to beat Nadal don t matter what surface. There are not many ppl who can play this style for 3 hours or longer, expecially not very often.

Nadal is a born natural slow court player, he is the best in building points up. But this doesn t work playing guys like Söderling, DelPo or Wawrinka when they are on top.

Federer is a born natural allrounder who likes fast courts more...but even he never had that backhand of Söd, DelPo or Wawrinka.


Nadal was injured last Sunday, yes. But not until he was down 3-6 0-2.

Fed allowed him to build his points up...Dimitrov tried to play like Wawrinka, but couldn t to it 3-4 sets in a row. Wawrinka played 3 hours hard court power tennis par excellence, he would also beat Fed or any other player in this final.

One slam wonder? I would say yes. Like Michael Stich or Petr Korda.

[Corbon]

Speaking of injuries, Delpo is currently undergoing treatment for his wrist again. Didn't even mention it before, didn't blame his early loss on it.

[Moralspain]

( and i say healthy because according to your posts Nadal is always making up injuries, and this time he was also making it up)

That s the problem.

I mean, it can t be for real that ANY time he loses an important match he s injured in any kind.

What s the similarity of Söderling, Del Potro and Wawrinka?
They don t have much...but they all did the same thing when beating Rafa (Söderling and DelPo 2009, Wawrinka 2014).

They are hard hitter s on both wings, fore- and backhand. And that s the way to beat Nadal don t matter what surface. There are not many ppl who can play this style for 3 hours or longer, expecially not very often.

Nadal is a born natural slow court player, he is the best in building points up. But this doesn t work playing guys like Söderling, DelPo or Wawrinka when they are on top.

Federer is a born natural allrounder who likes fast courts more...but even he never had that backhand of Söd, DelPo or Wawrinka.


Nadal was injured last Sunday, yes. But not until he was down 3-6 0-2.

Fed allowed him to build his points up...Dimitrov tried to play like Wawrinka, but couldn t to it 3-4 sets in a row. Wawrinka played 3 hours hard court power tennis par excellence, he would also beat Fed or any other player in this final.

One slam wonder? I would say yes. Like Michael Stich or Petr Korda.

completely get your point, but the fact is that against Soderling he shouldn't have even played that match (i think he didn't play Wimbledon that year!!) and agaisntWawrinka he started to feel pain during warming up.

THIS MORNING IN MALLORCA

De momento no puedo jugar, no tengo que hacer nada. Me han dicho que haga reposo", aseguró Nadal a los micrófonos de IB3 Televisió minutos después de que el avión que le trasladó desde Barcelona aterrizase en Son Sant Joan. "Dentro de unos días pasaré otra prueba", añadió el manacorí, que explicó qué le sucedió en el peloteo previo a la final del Abierto de Australia, que perdió ante el suizo Stanislas Wawrinka: "Sentí un fuerte tirón en la espalda. Los ligamentos estiraron un poco la vértebra y produjeron un edema". "Ahora hay que esperar a ver si la inflamación baja. No puedo hacer nada importante, me inhabilita durante unos días", añadió el número uno del ránking de la ATP, que confirmó que "se ha descartado que tenga una fisura".

Horas antes, en Barcelona, Nadal ya había descartado que fuese grave: "Me quedé clavado, fue un mal gesto que me ha generado un espasmo en el lumbar y no creo que el problema sea grave".

"No hay que dramatizar"
El manacorí, además, quitó hierro a su lesión."No hay ni que dramatizar ni pensar que se trata de una heroicidad", dijo en referencia al hecho de que hubiese decidido acabar la final y no abandonar el partido en Melbourne, torneo en el que no suele tener mucha fertuna: "Históricamente en Australia siempre he tenido problemas con cuestiones que se han ido acumulando. Pasé unas cuantas rondas complicadas, jugué muy bien las semifinales y después en la final Wawrinka jugó muy bien y yo no pude competir simplemente el partido".

When he lost against Tsonga in Australia, he wasn't injured and there're more matches like that one, he has lost maaany matches, and finals in Wimbledon against Federer, matches against Novak etc with no physical problems at all.

btw don't know why we're talking about this, Nadal has lost many matches in his carreer, in some of those matches he had physical problems and in other he was completely healthy and lost as well. I think is the media and the internet community that love to talk about this, i hardly believe Nadal has said he lost because of that pain in his back, correct me if i'm wrong.

No time to translate, so copy-paste google translator

At the moment I can not play, I have not to do anything. They told me get rest , "said Nadal microphones IB3 Televisió minutes after the plane carrying him from Barcelona landed at Son Sant Joan . " In a few days I will pass another test , "added the Spaniard, who explained what happened in the pre- Australia Open final , he lost to Swiss Stanislas Wawrinka rally : "I felt a strong pull on the back. The ligaments stretched a little and produced a vertebra edema " . " Now we must wait to see if the swelling down . I can not do anything important , disables me for a few days , "added the number one ATP ranking , which confirmed that " has been ruled to have a crack . "

Earlier, in Barcelona, ​​Nadal had ruled that it was serious : "I was stuck , it was a bad gesture that generated me a spasm in the lumbar and do not think the problem is serious."

" We should not dramatize "
The Spaniard also to downplay his injury . "There is neither dramatize nor think that it is a heroic ," he said, referring to the fact that it had decided to end the final and not leave the party in Melbourne, tournament not usually have much fertuna . "Historically in Australia have always had problems with issues that have accumulated I spent a few complicated rounds , I played very well the semifinals and then the final Wawrinka played very well and I could not compete simply game. "

[Pepe Bradock]

Lucian, i'm a Nadal fan, you're not obviously, i live in his town so i know perfectly well about his injuries etc,

So do you know who his pharmacist is ? The guy must have so incredible stories about Manacor Bull (which also is a more energizing drink than Red Bull ).

Seriously :

1/ Doctor Fuentes said there are also pro tennismen involved in Puertogate but no name was given because of a judge decided so and it's well-known that in Spain, professional sport is for many years a political tool, especially by these days as it's one of the last way to give people possibility to dream and escape from tough daily realty or crisis ;

2/ Nadal had too very long break in his carreer and none of them was really clearly explained unlike for every other players who have had such a break. Usually, you know if it's broken wrist (like Delpo in 2010), broken ligament, etc. With Rafa, it's knees pain and that's all folks.

3/ His last long break started after his loss vs Rosol, which was not due to any wound. He should have been out for 2 or 3 weeks and then played Olympic Games. But he finally missed OG and 6 months more !!!! When you know that drug control are much more different at OG than on ATP tour, with much more analysis, you can ask yourself some questions. And to the guys who'll tell me that he already played (and won) OG tournament at Beijing in 2008, I will answer that precisely it was in Beijing. When you know that these OG were, before everything, a big opportunity for OG sponsor to conquer deeper Chinese market and when you know the very "special" relationship that China has with drug enhancement in sport (remeber Chinese women at track and field world championaship in 1993, Chinese women swimmer in the 90's and early 2000's, etc... many of them had exploded world records then totally disappeared), you can guess that Olympic comittee has certainly had a very unique drug policy during 2008 OG .

All Argentinian guys who were caught for drug use in the 2000's (Coria, Puerta, Cañas) were really unlucky to be "only" Argentinian...

[Cro Morgan]

Substitute "Rafa" for "Brittany."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

[Coolhand Texas]

it sorta sounds like you are trying to gather information from nothing at all… I mean if thats the basis for your reasoning, Ive heard better conspiracy theories from nuts off the streets

[Moralspain]

Honestly in the past when Nadal won his matches only based on running like The coyote i would've understood the "doubts" but since 2008-9 he still wins but not because he runs more than his opponent but because he's changed his style, that's my opinion. No more impossible balls and shots and jumps celebrating the point, it's been a long time since they did all that stuff.

Novak did make a change in his game, he doesn't sweat anymore, pretty strange

[Saarbrigga]

As long someone is not prove guilty, he is unguilty, simple as that.

I would never say "A" or "B" is a doper when there is no proof.
But i would also never bet money that any professional sportsman is clean, nobody (not even a "white jacket guy" like Federer).

In professional sport is much money involved...and much money means anything must be done for succeed.

How it was possible that Lance Armstrong could not be caught until 2012?
Because the greatest people in cycling (UCI, President Pat McQuaid and Hein Verbruggen) coverd him and all others. They knew cycling gains more attention and viewer s if the riders can climb faster.

We really don t know what s going on in Tennis...this guy Daniel Koellerer stated the top players (Fed, Rafa, Novak) haven t fear to get caught if they dope because the ATP would cover them, same as UCI did to Armstrong and the top riders back in his day.

But ok enough said and speculated to this subject.

[Saarbrigga]

yeah Stan-The lucky Man, of course he is, do you think he could beat Nadal both guys healthy?, do you really think so?

If we would talk about Roland Garros, i would agree with you 100%, but we are talking about Melbourne.

The top player in Melbourne in the last 6 years (2008,2009,2010,2011,2012,2013) was a guy named Novak Djokovic, not Rafael Nadal.

Let s compare Djokovic and Nadal since 2008 down under:

Djokovic:
2008 -> Winner
2009 -> Quarter Final
2010 -> Quarter Final
2011 -> WInner
2012 -> Winner
2013 -> WInner

Nadal:
2008 -> Semi Final
2009 -> Winner
2010 -> Quarter Final
2011 -> Quarter Final
2012 -> Runner Up (defeted by Djokovic)
2013 -> -

Nadal is ahead of Djokovic in Roland Garros (8-0 Wins), WImbledon (2-1 Wins) and New York (2-1 Wins), but not in Melbourne (1-4).

Melbourne: Djokovic at peak > Nadal at peak. 4 titles against 1 is nothing more to say.

Stan Wawrinka defeated the best player since 2008-2013 in Melbourne in the quarter in 5 sets. If u beat the best on this surface, you can win the whole thing.
That s what Wawrinka did.

Asking me, If someone can beat a healthy Djokovic in Melbourne, he can beat also a healthy Nadal and any other player there.

[BrushedBigJJ]

Stan Wawrinka defeated the best player since 2008-2013 in Melbourne in the quarter in 5 sets. If u beat the best on this surface, you can win the whole thing.
That s what Wawrinka did.

Asking me, If someone can beat a healthy Djokovic in Melbourne, he can beat also a healthy Nadal and any other player there.

Perfectly said. Djokivic is the best of all time on that plexy cushion Australian open surface, there is really no debate. If someone loses to him in 5 last year and beats him in 5 this year, who can't Stan beat on that surface?

[AUSSIE_FABS]

.yeah Stan-The lucky Man, of course he is, do you think he could beat Nadal both guys healthy?, do you really think so?....

He beat djokovic in the semifinals whom he has had naught success against. Also djokovic was playing arguably better than rafa and he certainly has a better record at aus open.
Yes, I have come back from the dead to call you out

[Moralspain]

.yeah Stan-The lucky Man, of course he is, do you think he could beat Nadal both guys healthy?, do you really think so?....

He beat djokovic in the semifinals whom he has had naught success against. Also djokovic was playing arguably better than rafa and he certainly has a better record at aus open.
Yes, I have come back from the dead to call you out

nice to see you back

[Vieira151]

Speaking of injuries, Delpo is currently undergoing treatment for his wrist again. Didn't even mention it before, didn't blame his early loss on it.

Yeah, he doesn't seem to make much of it. Let's hope it's not too serious. And let's hope it allows him time to work with Wilson to get a new frame, so he doesn't have to keep using the same two racquets.

[Murderface84]

Del Potro is a badass, that guy deserves so much respect for his attitude and the fact that he has NEVER made excuses about anything on the tennis court

[Ali-Iqb93]

losing a GS final against someone who has never won a set against you really shocking, that said congratulations Stan, he'll probably never win another GS though

HE DID