Retirement, and the battle for #1 in women's singles

[Burna747]

I am respectfull to people who have a good history here at itst and/or are nice to others.
The problem is that you are not nice and you achieved nothing
But it is easy for you to say we are all bad players when your legends dont play anymore right?
I forget i am out sry

[Burna747]

AND I NEVER SAID BULLSHIT LIKE I AM THE BEST!!!!!!!

[swifty512]

I did because its the truth. However i didnt say i was the best ever...

[C4iLL]

@Burna :
- Reaching the final of one of the most competitive tournament of the history with the less efficient setup possible, it's nothing.
- Being a regular top10 with such a setup it's nothing.
- Being able to compete with the legends players with a handicap of like 50% it's nothing.
- Being the most succesfull SV player of Xbox and PS3, it's nothing.

Denying that much reality and history shows you're not only unfair and disrecpectful : it shows how much you're stupidly stuborn.

[Burna747]

I show you as much respect as you showed me with every dump comment you made about the dead and weak xbox tour since you retired.

- Reaching the final of one of the most competitive tournament of the history with the less efficient setup possible, it's nothing.
- Being a regular top10 with such a setup it's nothing.
- Being able to compete with the legends players with a handicap of like 50% it's nothing.
- Being the most succesfull SV player of Xbox and PS3, it's nothing.

You've got it!

[BrushedBigJJ]

- Reaching the final of one of the most competitive tournament of the history with the less efficient setup possible, it's nothing.
- Being a regular top10 with such a setup it's nothing.
- Being able to compete with the legends players with a handicap of like 50% it's nothing.
- Being the most succesfull SV player of Xbox and PS3, it's nothing.

Denying that much reality and history shows you're not only unfair and disrecpectful : it shows how much you're stupidly stuborn.

Reality check!!!


This s&v disadvantage you are talking about did not exist early in the game. It was the most powerful setup early in the games history.

Reason 1: power shots were worthless against a s&v at net...unrealistic
Reason 2: very limited return variety(especially mixing up the pace) made s&v like 1950's tennis not 2000+ tennis
Reason 3: volleyers could hover the net and hit almost every lob attempted

You were a very good player under these circumstances because you didn't have to deal with any variety, but as soon as you have to deal with variety your game falls apart. So stop proclaiming yourself the best s&v ever. And stop lecturing me and Burna about declaring ourselves the best at (insert presumptuous statement here), because only you and swifty are doing that.

[Burna747]

Exactly brushed. And now let's stop these useless conversation.

[DennieFR1908]

I do know one S&V player from the early days, Ranma Sao, he had like 80% winning percentage if not more.

[C4iLL]

@BigBrush : finally a constructive message ! But unfortunately completely wrong.

1) This setup wasn't powerful at all and there is an obvious proof : nobody used it at a top level. You know the h-omo economicus reasoning ? If it was so powerful and overpowered everybody would have used it.
So why nobody actually used it except a few guys ? Why everybody used instead the lethal combo offered by the chinese coach Pei Jin xx or the big powerful setup ?

Because SV was extremly hard to manage and not efficient at all in a 3 sets match. As long as the match kept going, you found solution against any Server Volleyers. That's why I lost a lot of matches on tie-breaks by the way.

2) Despite the low stats in FH/BH of my SV, I never struggle to beat any SV players : it was always ridicusly easy to hit a passing shot. So with your red wings, how can you say it was impossible ? All the legendary guys I quoted passed me without lobs for instance.
What a bad faith you then show here, it's unbelievable.

3) A few guys like Sanchez MD played 100% SV with a dedicated setup and were constantly beaten on hard scores. Ranma Sao was indeed a great PS3 SV player, from what I heard, but didn't play enough on ITST to be taken in account.

Globally I think you missed my point. I just say one thing : all these guys I quoted in other posts, like Loki, Dapery etc exploded Fifa Tee and Sh0case... who exploded you regularly 6-0.

So as I said : be modest and stop thinking you're awesome just because you reach the final of a Slam played by 10 guys which were outside the top100 in the golden era. You're the best among the worst. It's not your fault as they are not here again to compete with you : but it's a fact.
Who knows.. maybe your level is better than theirs at that time : but as you can't prove it, it's important to stay on facts and these facts show that these old guys destroyed Fifa-Case who destroyed you (Cf : Montreal draw 2011 + Us Open draw 2011).

The PS3 tour on the contrary is still at the same high level as before when you see the players list of the recent tournaments. So when you win a slam there, I definitely think this is as a big achievement as it was in 2011-2012.

[BrushedBigJJ]

1) This setup wasn't powerful at all and there is an obvious proof : nobody used it at a top level. You know the h-omo economicus reasoning ? If it was so powerful and overpowered everybody would have used it.
So why nobody actually used it except a few guys ? Why everybody used instead the lethal combo offered by the chinese coach Pei Jin xx or the big powerful setup ?

So your argument is that the 85 bh fh monster defense/100 power/and 98/98 were the only setups better...good argument

As long as the match kept going, you found solution against any Server Volleyers. That's why I lost a lot of matches on tie-breaks by the way.

Finding solutions against you is easy. What you just said is true of every match that goes to a tiebreak, people make adjustments. This is why you cant be the best serve and vollyer, because I've seen other S&V players make big adjustments in the tiebreak and makes themselves very difficult to beat, they figure out your patterns and put their player where your going to hit the ball and...bang...point over.

2) Despite the low stats in FH/BH of my SV, I never struggle to beat any SV players : it was always ridicusly easy to hit a passing shot. So with your red wings, how can you say it was impossible ? All the legendary guys I quoted passed me without lobs for instance.
What a bad faith you then show here, it's unbelievable.

Reason 1: power shots were worthless against a s&v at net...unrealistic

You seem to be confusing power shots with passing shots. No decent player can just use power shots to pass someone at the net in Topspin 4. Unless you want to show us how its done? Oh and I've hit plenty of control passing shots by you and other S&V.

Globally I think you missed my point. I just say one thing : all these guys I quoted in other posts, like Loki, Dapery etc exploded Fifa Tee and Sh0case... who exploded you regularly 6-0.

So as I said : be modest and stop thinking you're awesome just because you reach the final of a Slam played by 10 guys which were outside the top100 in the golden era. You're the best among the worst. It's not your fault as they are not here again to compete with you : but it's a fact.
Who knows.. maybe your level is better than theirs at that time : but as you can't prove it, it's important to stay on facts and these facts show that these old guys destroyed Fifa-Case who destroyed you (Cf : Montreal draw 2011 + Us Open draw 2011).

I see you seem to do a lot of leaning on other people to show your greatness, and you say you did it with a hard style to play. News flash there was a guy named Pete Sampras who won 13 grand slams serving and volleying. He never leaned on anybody else to show how great he was, he doesn't say he had it harder cause he served and volleyed while aggasi and other great players had it easy cause they stayed back. He certainly didn't have a below 50% winning percentage and say he was great because other guys were great in his era. He stood on his accomplishments alone. Oh and he certainly never whined about lobs, he stepped back and clobbered them. He respected his opponents and didn't go around bad mouthing everyone. You could learn a thing or two from him. All the people you mentioned, I take nothing away from them, they are great players. But when you stand alone we can all see where you really stack up, and its barely off the ground. Learn to stand on your own 2 feet.

[C4iLL]

Just to sum-up :

- I've nothing against the concept of Lobs at all. I'm just totally against Lobs in TS4, because there is a script that prevents the guy at the net to make a step back in most cases. You can't deny that as a lot of guys complain about that.

If i remember well, as soon as you pressed the button to make a volley, you could not "cancel" this action to make a step back, when you see the ball being a lob instead of a passing... so you're easily and constantly beaten by lobs.
This doesn't exist in real life, and not in TE for instance where you can always moove where you want to catch the lob.
You can ask around : I played Llodra for 1 year on TE, took hundreds of lobs, and never complained, because the concept was realistic.

- The amount of tie-breaks lost is due to several factors, including : guess of patterns as you said, but mainly stress because it was always hard to win a service game without loosing a point during the set (so I knew in tie-break I could loose for one single point...) and sometimes, one single random lob. The talent of my opponent as well, their mental were in better shape than mine after a though set for me to keep my serve etc.

- I can't say I'm "the best SV blablabla", I was just the most succesful here and perhaps on WT too (by being frequently in top 15 just by winning all the tournaments and rare exhibitions ; at the end, I think I finished with like 90% of victory out of 800-1200 matches with the same setup in 2 years).

Some people said Khult was a better SV, why not ? The fact is that he always played as a baseliner and actually never proved his SV skills by playing a hardcore tournament with such a setup.
No one had actually enough balls (or enough SV skill ? ) to frequently reach finals, semi finals as I did, on both TE tour and TS4 tour with such a setup.
Afterwards, you're free to interpretate the reasons as you want

[BrushedBigJJ]

I never had a problem guarding lobs in topspin 4 when at the net. Out of 200+ times being at net and holding back as my opponent lobbed it maybe 3 times got over my head and the others were punished 90% of the time. Now when I pressed forward to crowd the net and cut off the angle plenty got over my head or I couldn't spike it for a put away.

You've complained about TE lobs too so don't know why you even brought that up.

And last if you let go of the button expecting a passing shot then thats your our own fault. I do agree you should be able to cancel a shot and choose a different one if you choose. But the main skill you need at net is the ability to anticipate what shot your opponent will hit and/or wait for them to hit it and quickly react. If you are releasing the button as if someone is hitting a passing shot but they really hit a lob then you didn't anticipate or react properly, you don't deserve the point.

[Pepe Bradock]

I do know one S&V player from the early days, Ranma Sao, he had like 80% winning percentage if not more.

Yep, Ranma was a volley god, indeed . I met him for the first time on WT and he impressed me so much.

TinoPerf was also a crazy good sv when he played 3/17/0 Carine Jiquelle.