RB/R1 Button service without going to the net --- Poll

[Burna747]

Hi guys,
when someone is using the rb/r1 button on his service without going to the net...is that cheesy? And i dont mean only a few times. I mean most of the time. Lets say from 100 services 80 with rb/r1...

In my opinion it is cheesy because:

1. The service is faster than it should be
2. The service is better placed
3. When your opponent is playing serve and volley from time to time but is pressing the rb/r1 button the whole time on his service, you cant react because the animation of his player is always the same. It always looks like s&v.
4. i dont know...

How you think about that?

[chris_high]

Haha i asked myself the same question sometimes ago
I couldn't have given a better explanation of this serve "trick".
I found it cheesy at the beginning but now i think it's ok - I mean, if you had to go at the net everytime you are using r1, your opponent will know it thanks to the different animation of the player and so he will make a short return in the feet everytime, instead of the very high and long return that he usually plays.
I think pushing r1 button make better service as you said but as we all have to serve from the T, it doesn't matter too much and gives to the game a little more difficulty and variety. But I definitly agree that it's pissing me off when my opponent do that on the CM with a wide serve and a 98/98 babb!^^

Btw, i saw a video of you Burna747, your davydenko vs agassi at the Aegon final ITST!^^you played very well, even if your opponent wasn't the best agassi i saw, you had a huge disadvantage with your perso! congrats for your win vs this chessy agassi! I watched many top spin video, but i think that your are the guy with the game the most similar to mine! But...better!^^ I mean, i make same placement, same point construction, same choices or alternance between control/power shot...that's crazy! but to be honnest, you do all of that...a little better than me, which is a huge difference at the end!
I would be happy to play vs you (ps3 right?), you can add me "chris_high"
See you !

[Burna747]

Hi...gh chris

First sry i play xbox.
I would lose this final match against a really good agassi. Everybody would

Second how you said...it is a service "TRICK". When you use this trick the guy on the other side has to play roulette when he returns. It is impossible to see a incoming s&v...forget it. Plus the advantage in pace and placement. Even if we serve from the t line...in a close match this definitly can make the difference...by using a trick! And i think that is what we call cheesy. Rb/R1 is made to prepare a volley and not to abuse it all the time and serve constantly with 210kmh with 70 power. Look in the manual for what rb/r1 is made. Also it looks weird to jump like this into the field and rush back to the baseline.
I play s&v myself from time to time and sometimes it works and sometimes not. You have to suprise your opponent. How it should be.
But these are only my oppinions.

Thanks for your nice comment!

To everyone: pls it is important to vote. A host told me that they could change the rules

[BrushedBigJJ]

I think it's cheesy but for a different reason. When the game first came out it had a huge, and I mean a huge glitch. You basically couldn't return 98/98 serve. The reason being your guy wouldn't even move sometimes. I would remember holding one way and selling out that way and not only would my guy not get there, he wouldn't even move. Clearly there was a lag problem. They did fix it though. Your player gets out of "walk mode" earlier and actually runs

Even now your player will only turn on the speed after the server makes contact with the ball. When someone rb serves the same nonsense can occur that I explained above. Your player gets out of "walk mode" a split second later in some cases and turns on the speed too late and the point is over before it starts cause the ball is by you or your too off balance to recover.

[Burna747]

yeah i noticed that my player moved weird but i didnt know why. Now i do. Thanks brushed

[MatteoProscia20]

I'm the player who beat Burna and at the service i often used rb button. "if you had to go at the net everytime you are using r1, your opponent will know it thanks to the different animation of the player and so he will make a short return in the feet everytime, instead of the very high and long return that he usually plays". I think the same thing, like chris_high.
Burna is the best player in my opinion so it's a pleasure for me play versus him, but in my opinion it's not cheasy. Then, if the rules will be changed, i change my kind of serve. But in that case no one can go at the net with rb button because the different animation of the player favors the short return and so the impossibility to do the point.

[Burna747]

Hey mate,
i would unterstand what you say when u used a few fake rb services to confuse me and a few to really play s&v. But come on u played every service with rb. You took full advantage of a fake and better service the whole match while i did nothing like that. Same with rb in rallys. On my last service game u finished every point with a fake approach shot. And after the match u told me u never used rb in rallys.
U played fantastic in this match but u had an unfair advantage in my opinion. And i said it....you dont have to fake 100 services to go 10 times to the net.

The only thing i want is that we can have clean and fair fights in itst matches but it seems that many users dont care for that and only want to win...i dont understand how guys can like that style of play.

[Burna747]

One more things. I also play s&v sometimes and i would use it more when it would be more effective. I could also say who cares i use rb all the time. Everybody could do that because it needs no skill to push a button. But to me it is not fair to have a much better service than my opponent and dont give him options to react on things because of a fake shot. That is the only reason why i dont use it and i take serve and volley as it is. A risk shot.

[chris_high]

I understand your opinion and i wouldn't care if a new rule banned this fake shot.
Just to be clear, i didn't say that doing it all the time wasn't cheesy!it is! but i find it even more cheesy and even less realisticic when r1 is used as a fake approach shot every shot during the play!
In my case, it depends of my opponent, if he is doing a lot of fake r1 serve, or if he always does very long and high serve return - in this case i often switch between real serves, volley-serves and fake volley-serves to confuse my opponent as you said. But if he plays fair and with various and unpredictable shots, i will almost never do this fake volley-serve.
To be honnest i don't really mind, because vs the majority of my opponent it is worth only a few points during an entire game, so it's not such a big deal from my point of view.
But if it could lead to the return or the arrival of thousand of players online and on the forum, come on hosts just bannnnnnnnn this fake volley serve and I'll be the happiest anyway^^haha

(I didn't know about your explanation Brushed, but it does make sense for sure!)

[Burna747]

When it happens a few times a set it is no problem to me and i would never say antything against that. But when it happens the whole time or on every important point it is a different story.
Can i ask you what your voting was? Yes cheesy or no not cheesy? Can that be that you made a wrong voting?

[chris_high]

So finally we almost agree^^ it's like every shot, no one should ever abuse of always the same shot, whatever it is!
I voted that it's not cheesy (whithout abusing it of course!), for itst, as it doesn't really bother me when we serve from the T

[DennieFR1908]

BTW I agree with Chris Burna you have a really cool style of play... U don't have a ps3? Would like you see here.

[dj morgancooper]

Yes Burna has a very particular style of play! Cool i don't know since i feel helpless against him all the time lol !And the rb technique to fake net approach is cheesy

[ICEMAN_9588]

R1 serve is not cheesy. Or better, I think I can handle it, it doesn't seem so "scary" to me.
R1 shots are worst, in my opinion, especially when you have "fatality" or "Approach shots expert" skill.

[chris_high]

...pfff...this r1 button is making me crazy...more and more people are abusing it during the play,and it begin to be really annoying...!I mean, every shot is soooo much more efficient with this button! but it has nothing to do with a simulation play, every shot these guys are going to the net with one or two step and come back to the back line immediatly without going really to the net...
I played the same guy twice on WT, i won 3/0-3/0 pretty easily our first game when he played "fair", and then some weeks later when we played again with same players, he played every shot with r1, and I lost 4/3 - 3/4 - 10-7...and he didn't played better, just find the lines more easily with this cheesy button...
I definitly don't want to abuse this button myself, and i won't! but i feel helpless vs these r1 players...
any solution, suggestion...? at least, is something planned to banned it for itst? because i think that every player here will have to use it soon to compete vs players who already (ab)use it...
(and btw Burna is definitly a beast! we both tried "new" setups during a practice game and i lost 6-1 6-2 with my nagano vs his boskovic^^ i played a poor level this day but i think that burna wasn't at his maximum at all neither! anyway, hope to play you again mate with our real setups!;) )