Retirement From Tour

[Michael.D]

Very interesting

[Woowhat]

heh I saw Serena
Well i'm irrelevant for this case but I played with Jasmin a couple of tour matches and with exception of a few random desyns our connection was fine. Not picking any sides, just telling my experience.

About the retirement talk, I hope you guys will change your minds. The more good players on tour, the better.

[AlexJasmins]

Well now i finally have my word . 1st Felipe My friend if u think I'm dirty and I'm that kind of guy, let's face this year i played u in the beggining of the year and i won right? Why would I do on purpose not to play you when I had all the confidence to win? Cerji, I played him and I had lost the two times we played and i played and manage to win? U think I'm really that low? I can be bitchy(sorry for language), arrogant, competitive ye but one thing that NO ONE here can EVER accuse me of is cheating. Not you not anyone i admit saying I do cheat cause I don't, I've been playing TE since 2007 and I have never ever cheated. U wanna complain about my behaviour, yes i was upset cause we scheduled a match and you didn't show up(not the first time you do it), I would like to know what have I done to C4iLL and Robbin so they have complains about me and want you or them to show me evidences of any insults, disrespect. Michael my friend ,Manatour shall we mention u had a terrible reputation cause u couldt stand a loss and when u were losing you would serve from the corners? You would insult people and u were banned several times for insults and bad behaviour? "The Famous Vika Azarenka" That says it all and everyone can see it. And about connection, as I said I had a storm passing in Madeira since Friday, which you can double check on the news and etc, and my connection was just terrible, which could happen to anyone, about that lag freeze, i realised over the weekends in the evenings It's like my port closes. It's a random thing cause I can play freely till like 5 6 and then just starts freezing, and as people mentioned here If u think i would be Dirty on our matches would I need to be dirty even on Exibitions(yes the same problem happens in exibitions). And no offense but if one player is enough for you to make you retire then sorry my friend that shows weakness from you,I know here I have bad reputation, Alexjasmins this that I would have retired and hide in a hole and never came out, but that's what makes me stronger to show everyone that Im here to stay, to win, to make the difference even tho sometimes it's not in a good way I know they do need players like us, Unique characters that's what makes this tour so interesting.


I wish u reconsider your decision seriously and as I owe u an apology for the way I talked to you, I'm sorry really am, I think you do an even bigger one for accusing me of cheating cause that's a very very big low and bad accusation.



Best Regards

TheBombarder

[ManicMoron100]

Interesting situation...but i agree with djarvik. Silly to quit a tour because of one person. Give it some thought before taking such a drastic decision...

[inseedious]

I'm neutral, but if you have something to complain about a match, just report it when reporting match results (there's a dedicated space). Don't think that the host won't read it, because this is also his task. We also have the precious help of dmo recording. Sometimes it's frustrating, because, in cases like yours about connection, nothing can be done immediately, but if all community starts to correctly use the report tool, a very big part of these problems will be solved.
If it was depending on me, I would ban all people with very high and instable ping to TE French server, because people like me are paying lots of money to have a good and stable connection, and sometimes playing with someone who hasn't set correctly his router can be disrespectful. But these aren't our rules, so the best thing to do is to always report whenever there's something wrong.

[C4iLL]

I often check the forum but I strangely didn't see this thread till now ^^

Anyway, what VMoe said was indeed right. Djarvik, I didn't file a complain because the match afterwards was played at 90 ms constantly and because I'm cool.
But the case was extremely strange : in almost one year playing this game, I must admit I have never seen that... From 1000 ms constantly to 90 ms constantly ^^

I also have to point out the fact the AO match was played in pretty bad conditions with a lot of turtles (suddent increase in ping to 300). But he and I suffered from that, so no need to report in my opinion.

On the other side, I played a few sets vs Felipe and the ping was always extremely high (between 200 and 300). The ping was so high one time that I lost an exhibition 6-0 with Llodra against him, with a crazy amount of faults. This is extremely frustrating and far from being funny.

As us european people, have to deal with that, one time out of 10 matches, and him looks rather used to that ping, it's a clear advantage for him, as it has an impact on the sensibility, especially at the net. Now it's the same thing for all south americans so it's not only Felipe.

What is sure is that Alex's results may potentially get people jealous. I can understand how some guys here hate him for very various reasons, but i'm not sure the reasons are often right.

Perhaps the connexion thing is a true abuse, I don't know, I haven't checked the proofs yet. But personally I enjoy a lot more Tennis Elbow when I play him at 90 ms, even if he does strange things with his connexion or strange tricks, than playing against south americans and their 300 ms ping who just wait for my faults...

I do not include Spencercarlos in this group as his connexion is always around 150-200 ms which is okay (and I always have fun playing vs him).

[C4iLL]

Please go and four people who feel the same (Michael, Robbin, c4ill and me) I do not, you need more evidences, they have not complained, I feel badly done by them, but what I am, I will not to remain silent, is a decision made.

I did not complain because the issue I had with Alex arrived before the match. The match in itself at Zagreb was played in good conditions, and at AO average conditions. Thus I'm not really in the group you mention.

In fact, I would have far more reasons to complain about your connexion and Michael's one. From this point of view, I definitely agree with Inseedious who suggests to ban every player who have 250-300 ms to Paris server.

I have honestly nothing against you guys, but for me, you get an unfair advantage with this ping, that falses the competitions.

[VMoe86]

The thing is: There is no proof that Alex is doing something to force these freezes, Felipe has only proof that these freezes happened -- nothing more. I've searched the MG Forum for more of such cases, but it seems rare. Only thing I found was this here:

http://www.managames.com/Forum/topic8-4692.php

The last time I heard of this problem on our tour was at US Open 2012: Michael.D vs. G.Dimitrov (BUL). There they also could not play, ping went high to 1000ms -- consequently a cointoss.

So far this is a case of "In dubio pro deo." for me. As C4iLL pointed out: There are also other players who fit the descriptions of our lag rules (if players reported on such things as lag and cheesy behaviour).

In the end, I think the best way of dealing with Alex is to beat him on the virtual ITST courts. By the way, I'm disappointed by Alex's response here, hardly any material worthy a quote for the chat.

[Robbin92]

Please go and four people who feel the same (Michael, Robbin, c4ill and me) I do not, you need more evidences, they have not complained, I feel badly done by them, but what I am, I will not to remain silent, is a decision made.

I couldn't play an exhibition match versus Alex, that's what I told you, I can't file a complaint about that.
Furthermore I don't believe Alex is doing these freezes on purpose (why in exhibition??), but it does sounds to me that it is caused by something on his side cause he is the only constant factor in the freezes.

In fact, I would have far more reasons to complain about your connexion and Michael's one. I have honestly nothing against you guys, but for me, you get an unfair advantage with this ping, that falses the competitions.

Agreed with that.

[Florian]

Felipe, blackmailing ITST mods is the last thing to do if you want something to happen from their side

The only thing i can add to that thread is that since MG tours i had like 99% horrible connexions with Alex, like some turtles at the begining of a set to frequent freezes as the match got longer and longer. And he got so pissed because he thought that was the reason he was losing to me everytime, so he got annoyed as well. We played another match on ITST in november or december where he lost again against me and he said that it was because of the connex (i'm sure djarvik remembers about that convo we had together at that time), but since then our connex improved, it's not perfect though, but it's acceptable.

As many of you know, i'm not the biggest fan of Alex's behaviour in general, but i don't think he cheats here, and if you really thought there was something akward happening there you should have gone to the tournie host as you already knew.

I think you're a great player and a retirement would be a shame for the tour, and if you want my only advice : just beat Alex on the court next time you have a shot and that should be a reward you'll enjoy for sure

[spencercarlos]

Please go and four people who feel the same (Michael, Robbin, c4ill and me) I do not, you need more evidences, they have not complained, I feel badly done by them, but what I am, I will not to remain silent, is a decision made.

I couldn't play an exhibition match versus Alex, that's what I told you, I can't file a complaint about that.
Furthermore I don't believe Alex is doing these freezes on purpose (why in exhibition??), but it does sounds to me that it is caused by something on his side cause he is the only constant factor in the freezes.

In fact, I would have far more reasons to complain about your connexion and Michael's one. I have honestly nothing against you guys, but for me, you get an unfair advantage with this ping, that falses the competitions.

Agreed with that.

In fact, I would have far more reasons to complain about your connexion and Michael's one. I have honestly nothing against you guys, but for me, you get an unfair advantage with this ping, that falses the competitions.

This is very discriminatory IMO. I am actually very dissapointed to hear a lot of these comments around here, regarding this, especially its not like we have been on here playing this tour for a month, but we have been here since around the Usopen last year, and we all, i believe, have had plenty of results around our belt, just to come here today and say that we get an advantage because of the high ping so that is why we are somewhat sucessful in the game.

As for Alexjasmins i am not accusing him or anyone around here, but i think we all know that is possible in some cases to create lag in matches (we its not like its too difficult to open a youtube video from another PC in the same connection to create lag for example).

Obviously when we play against European players sometimes it goes smother nice, and sometimes it goes bumpy IMO, but that is realted to our connection with each other. We can easily have a nice point to Managames server then have a worse one between two players, been there done that IMO.

So what itst is going to apply the same rule as managames called Lag Rule so automatically an european gets over a southamerican by default?
Wow if that's so you can count on another retirement.

[Robbin92]

Honestly, you guys are great players and if the connection was better I would really enjoy playing you.
I see I quoted C4ill text wrong, didn't wanted to quote "you guys get an unfair advantage" but just wanted to say that the game - at least for me, is much more enjoyable when playing with a lower and stable ping.

[VMoe86]

So what itst is going to apply the same rule as managames called Lag Rule so automatically an european gets over a southamerican by default?

No lag rule here, don't worry, just that people with instable connections or connections causing problems for matches to be played have to fix their problems if several complaints (from different people) are filed. A stable connection at 220ms ping against you is a better experience than playing against some Europeans with instable connections who play on WiFi and are too far away from the router. Stability of connection allows to set delay manually lower without increasing lag ratio too much.

[spencercarlos]

Honestly, you guys are great players and if the connection was better I would really enjoy playing you.
I see I quoted C4ill text wrong, didn't wanted to quote "you guys get an unfair advantage" but just wanted to say that the game - at least for me, is much more enjoyable when playing with a lower and stable ping.

We all enjoy playing with lower and stable ping, you are not the only one... sight.. again its still a discrimination from you. That being said i have normally a 160-180 ping to the France server just to point out..

[Robbin92]

We all enjoy playing with lower and stable ping, you are not the only one... sight.. again its still a discrimination from you. That being said i have normally a 160-180 ping to the France server just to point out..

I don't see how I'm discriminating here, but maybe we have a different definition of that.
Why do you feel spoken to when you have an 160-180ms ping to the France server? That sounds fine.
Also when I played FelipeM in Rotterdam connection was fine and stable, but due to the high ping there were a lot of "soft neutral balls". These kill fun for me (and as you said probably for most if not all of the players), that's what I'm trying to say.
A high ping or a ping with huge jitter is not enjoyable to play, it doesn't matter if my opponent is European, South-American or even playing from the freaking moon.