Lance Armstrong...

[Vieira151]

What does lifting weights transform muscle into? Sunshine? Ye crack me up Paul.

Natural is what you're born with. When you lift weights your muscles become unnatural. Drug enhancement is unnatural -- so is exercise and lifting weights.

Oh, so Lumberjacks would be cheating if they entered the weightlifting competition? I don't see how exercise is unnatural, considering we should technically still be hunter gatherers. Sports and going to the gym can be considered unnatural, but exercise in general is not.

[Tamthewasp]

Hunt gather involves walking. Walking is natural and that is excersing 2.

[Cro Morgan]

Oh, so Lumberjacks would be cheating if they entered the weightlifting competition?.

Perfectly okay, as long as they didn't train for the competition by lifting weights.

Walking is natural and that is excersing 2.

Walking is natural only when you're walking for a reason (i.e. walking to your car; walking to a friend's house). Walking is unnatural when it's done for no practical reason (i.e going for a walk, as in, "do you want to walk around the block to get some exercise").

[Tamthewasp]

Walking around my country because it has beautiful landscapes. It's nature so natural., In America walking to the car is probably the most exercise anybody gets.

Are you not from the Valleys Paul? Maybe you could introduce them to xcersise then tell them it's the devils work

[Coolhand Texas]

What I am getting from this argument is that I need to sit on my couch and watch tv and that way I should be perfectly natural

another reason for us to become even more overweight

[Saarbrigga]

Ullrich = drugs as well ; in 2000 the winner is then Christophe Moreau, OH YEAH

Beloki?

He was tested positive after his brutal crash back in 2003...maybe he was clean in 2000...

[Cro Morgan]

What I am getting from this argument is that I need to sit on my couch and watch tv and that way I should be perfectly natural

another reason for us to become even more overweight

On the contrary.

Sitting on a couch burns 68 calories per hour (assuming a body weight of 150 lbs). If you don't stuff your face with food and drink, you're actually losing weight each and every time you sit on a couch (watching TV is optional).

[Amazing Matheja]

Read the story?

Seems he s gonna lose all 7 tour victories and a lifelong ban for any sport.

What do you think about it?

I would say just like Greg Lemond's wife :
"At least !"
This guy is the biggest thief in cycling history !... Hope he will have to give money back too.

Here are, from "Libération" (a french newspaper) the "clean" winners (i.e : with no cases) :

1999 : Nardello - 7th (Zulle was in Festina's trouble, Escartin was with Dr Ferrari...)
2000 : Nardello - 10th (Armstrong, Ullrich, Beloki,... Haha !...)
2001 : Kivilev - 4th (Armstrong, Ullrich, Beloki,... Haha !...)
2002 : Carlos Sastre - 10th (Armstrong, Beloki, Rumsas...)
2003 : Zubeldia - 5th (Armstrong, Vinokourov,...)
2004 : Carlos Sastre - 5th (Arsmtrong, Kloden, Basso,...)
2005 : Cadel Evans - 7th (Arsmtrong, Basso, Ullrich,...)

Personally, I think they should not give a winners to those tour...
And Honestly, and it hurts me to say that, I wonder if they shouldn't stop the Tour for a while... They broke their toy, they* need time to think about it...

* the "children" : The riders, the UCI (who protected a guy like Armstrong, and who tolerates guys like Riis as team boss), the CIO, Bruynell, Team bosses, Doctors, Journalists,... Thx to all these, the Tour, since the end of the 80's and the discovery of EPO, is a big and dangerous joke ! It was not that "extrem" before... I think ! ^^

...

All of them (except of Kloeden) were tested positive once or more...

Well, I suggest you "google" "University Clinic of Freibourg Kloden"





(Oh! And you guys really don't like that "cyclism.." topic huh ? So you prefer to create topic again and again ! ^^ It's "sad" cause with one topic it's easier to follow discussions than with a dozen of topic talking about the same thing...)