Sh0Case v ILuvBillVal - Wimbledon Semi Final

[DennieFR1908]

Reading these things really makes me wanne play a new Top Spin serie for the console..

Like djarvik is saying if TS4 wouldn't had so many flaws and had more dept you are much more motivated to spend more time for it to get better. My motivation is often a problem when I play TS4. Against some guys it's fun to play, and against other it's just boring.

But I gues we'll have to wait a long time for it.. TS1 came out in 2003, TS2 in 2006, 3 in '08 and 4 in '11, meaning TS5 won't be earlier then end 2013 I hope all the huge real life matches between Federer and the other guys will increase insterest for a new tennis game.

I also hope the game won't have the risk shots of TS3, they where not the best solution. Like I've said before a while ago every shot in tennis has some kind of risk. I even described how I would like to see a tennis game which worked exactly like Tennis Elbow before i even knew it excisted, lol. This game includes all the factors in tennis, making every situation work. So I hope they will use that game as an inspiration for the next Top Spin. When I think about it I could visualize such an amazing tennis game, and I hope this time they will finally come up with the perfect game. That's why I also hope djarvik could be involved in there since he has years of thinking experience on thiis subject and has great idea's. Altough your comment about bringing back he risk shots kinda concerned me lol.

[JohnCurveo]

Now, around 200-300, on some days even less. Same with PS3.

Hmmm, i was just looking at the ranking, with +1500 ranked this week. Im sure you're right, u have better information than me.

You can't improve a game at all, if you entrust other study with no experience on sports videogames to develop it. The example is NBA 2K, always the same line. I know, it's different.

just dramatizing.

always

[ydderFx]

Altough your comment about bringing back he risk shots kinda concerned me lol.

Embrace the risk! Its part of tennis. Even in TE you are risking when you hold longer on the direction, it can go in or out.

Even when I'm playing tennis with a friend in real life on the court, when we hit great shots sometimes we joke and make references to topspin 3! If it was close to the line and fast we'll go "double trigger risker" haha or if we consistently hit the lines I'll say something like L2 risking I see. Yeah me and my friends are sad when we play tennis I know

[DennieFR1908]

Yes ofcourse there must be risk, but to every shot, not some kind of risk shot button. Like I mention in the example about TE.

[ydderFx]

I just don't think that is possible without a risking button.

[Ali-Iqb93]

If in ts4, the ball goes to the net if timed "too soon" and out of court when timed "too late" then every shot will be a risk one as you will always have to aim for perfect or good timings. This is how ts4 can be close to realism and much more fun. If you return the serve with either late or soon timing then it will be an error. The game would be more fun and only those with perfect timings will dominate. If this mechanism is imposed in next top spin then there won't be any need of risk buttons. I really hope that the risk system if returns in next top spin then it won't be a killer weapon as it was in top spin 3.

[VMoe86]

Tennis Elbow does not have a risk button. There you decide how early you want to take the shot, how close to the line you want to go and how much power the shot should have -- all working with all shots (during a rally, of course). Oh, and short accelerations, which you can use for angled cross court shots, need very good timing and positioning -- otherwise they end up short or even better end up being errors. So basically, it is up to you how much you want to risk on any shot, which is I think what Dennie had in mind.

EDIT: There are shots, though, which are more risky (accelerations and short accelerations) compared to other shots, but they are also more effective. However, every shot has some risk to it.

[ydderFx]

@Ali
-In topspin 4 I always wanted that since they didn't actually use any button to risk. But after months of practice you would then have perfect timing it would still be the same game, only this time you would have 1 or 2 more errors.

-I think topspin 4 was damned from the start, its too ping pongy Virtua tennis style. Its too simplistic, control shots have ruined the game. The fact that there are too many aids in the game to help you be like super man on the court have ruined the game. It has shot helpers, first bouncing* helpers all these helpers to make people better than they really are? The fact that you can go a whole game with less than 5 unforced errors have ruined the game.

[djarvik]

Now, around 200-300, on some days even less. Same with PS3.

Hmmm, i was just looking at the ranking, with +1500 ranked this week. Im sure you're right, u have better information than me.

You can't improve a game at all, if you entrust other study with no experience on sports videogames to develop it. The example is NBA 2K, always the same line. I know, it's different.

just dramatizing.

always

I was talking about players Currently online, at the same time.

[djarvik]

Thanks Dannie.

I was talking about the risk, as in a concept. Not in details.

Both, TE and TS3 risk has its advantage. They are executed differently. In TE, the risk is done via aim and positioning. In TS3 via positioning and on-demand button.

If you ask me - BOTH of these have to be in the game. I want to be able to risk a shot on-demanded and I want all my other shots to be TE like, with BIG elements of risk.

In TS3, there are 3 types of risk, in TE - 3 types of shots. In TS3 you can control the power of the shot, by pressing earlier, later or even tapping. In TE you cannot do that.

TE has the aiming risk nailed. Perfect. Aim too much over-hit, too little - too safe. Add to that the positioning without locking your player - perfect. But TE still lacks the on demand risk. One can argue you don't need that type of risk, but I think we do need it, for on the run risk, to force risk where ordinarily the position doesn't allow you to hit that type of shot. The on-demand risk should be HARD to execute as you basically attempting to hit a shot that is almost not there - but you still need that choice, you still need to be able to choose to swing your racket as hard as you can, even if you know the chances of making such shot is slim. In TE now, you have no such choice, if you barely reaching the ball, it will be a weak reply. ,....and it should be, unless I decide to just go all-out on that shot and hit the linesman or a spectator

Its basically TS3 style risk + TE style risk. You can then risk without using the Risk buttons, just like in TE, but should you choose to Force the risk - you have a button for that. Both will be equally effective. The difference - one will be WAY more riskier and used mainly for on the run, out of position or on weak stroke side.

A perfect system should encompass both, the Aiming Risk and the on-demand risk.

[C4iLL]

One can also says that the b1+b2 shot in TE is something like the risk shot you'd imagine Djarvik no ?

[JohnCurveo]

I was talking about players Currently online, at the same time.

I know, i just wrongly worded my answer.

[ILuvBillVal]

Ts4 is just so much more simplistic than 3. Trying to go back and play 3 I have to practically re teach myself. Anyone else notice the menus load like 10 times faster too?

[ydderFx]

Ts4 is just so much more simplistic than 3. Trying to go back and play 3 I have to practically re teach myself. Anyone else notice the menus load like 10 times faster too?

I agree that TS3 has deep learning curve, TS4.. not so much ha