The Players.

[Ary1g]

I have downloaded some of the custom animations for Fed from the thread Elias linked to. The backhand V2 is great and the slice animations I found is much better than the default ones. I still think that we should use the FH #12 for Fed. I hate the jumping in the default forehand motion of Fed. Makes the whole shot look so stressed and also the swing is not very smooth in the default one. #12 looks much more relaxed, smoother and balanced. Much more like Fed imo. Relaxed and efficient.

It's very easy to add new (custom) animations also, so it won't be any problem adding animations to the ITSTpatch. Loads of custom animations to try out. Don't know how many (if any) that are already in the sampatch though.

Here's a link to see the Fed BH V2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIgMr5Og3xE

Also, I downloaded volleys and smash animations. They are very nice. Especially the BH Smash

[Elias]

About tastes .. honestly about the backhand (v2) i don't like much to see his knee bending on each & every stroke, the feel is not much realistic in several positions imo. As for the forehand, i agree 12 is a bit too much jumpy, but still the racket motion is more federer-esque to me (maybe a younger federer though i don't know

Since Build 81 ( => http://www.managames.com/Forum/topic15-5863.php#p88429 ), the rally strike styles don't influence the gameplay, even the Modded ones.
But as they are visually different, they can still affect what you feel about hitting the ball.

It's still needed to have exactly the same Modded strikes on both opponents' computer to avoid desync, though (coz actually, they still influence the racket clip, but that doesn't give any kind of advantage, as in all cases, the point is lost).

And the serve still has an influence, but all serves have been normalized in Build 84 so the advantages / disadvantages are very very small now (with the official game ; it might be different in Sam's Patch).

btw thanks for the info Manu. I think we'll wait for your next update 1.0e anyway to deal with any further custom animation, it's great news for us here if you managed to get rid of ( a good part of ) desync issues

[Ary1g]

Okay, I'm confused. Yesterday I played with Rounder and when I used Federer, there was desyncs ALL the time when I was serving. However, as a test I changed to Nadal. NO desyncs... Whats up with that? I'm not going to use Nadal... also, I think Nadals serve is too good. Too easy to place the ball on the lines and way too consistent. In three sets I had 19 aces against rounders 16 using Federer.

[Elias]

There is no definite pattern we could identify about desyncs, we did a lot of tests and it seems pretty random, though some chars / match ups are maybe more desync prone (from my own experience djokovic is very).

Hopefully there is good chances next TE update 1.0e will resolve this issue.

[Ugadalou]

Is anything being done to keep balancing the tour?It's been months since someone changed anything about this tour.
Noticing that 6 out of 17 picked Roger Federer for Roland Garros..Great! So I guess some balancing is needed after all..

It's too bad cause this has been a great and active community so far but I don't think we're doing much to help it grow.
Are we waiting for something?The new Sam patch?The new version of TE perhaps?

[Elias]

Is anything being done to keep balancing the tour?It's been months since someone changed anything about this tour.
Noticing that 6 out of 17 picked Roger Federer for Roland Garros..Great! So I guess some balancing is needed after all..

It's too bad cause this has been a great and active community so far but I don't think we're doing much to help it grow.
Are we waiting for something?The new Sam patch?The new version of TE perhaps?

Yes the ITST patch is in good way. I already finished selecting all the courts, characters, the size is approx 150mo.

Now i'm starting to do some modifications to balance the roster ( mostly about char speeds and spin, and some individual changes), and will do several tests. There is some progress it's not stalled don't worry.

I won't wait for sam patch if ours is finished. Anyway we can update ITST patch with further improvements (anims / outfits ) from Sam patch later, and new courts, it's not a problem.

[Elias]

Okay, I'm confused. Yesterday I played with Rounder and when I used Federer, there was desyncs ALL the time when I was serving. However, as a test I changed to Nadal. NO desyncs... Whats up with that? I'm not going to use Nadal... also, I think Nadals serve is too good. Too easy to place the ball on the lines and way too consistent. In three sets I had 19 aces against rounders 16 using Federer.

Well, something to consider, is also who is serving & who is returning

if you check my last match vs ELiomelma, he did only 8 aces using Nadal out of 102 first serves thru 3 sets, with a 76% first serve consistency.



Elio is a pretty good server, and i would say i'm a pretty decent returner It's not that much. Though this area of the game is not an easy one and learning to return better takes a considerable time in TE and can be a bit frustrating.

Though in balancing changes, we'll probably review the serve consistencies stats, decrease some of them to avoid seeing too much high first serves % results ( rarely exceeds 70% in reality, and should not be too much easy to reach those numbers ).

[VMoe86]

Noticing that 6 out of 17 picked Roger Federer for Roland Garros..Great! So I guess some balancing is needed after all..

It's not just Federer, Davydenko is also on that level and Simon as a counter is very close, too. Djokovic, Nadal and Murray are a little bit behind, because of their higher top spin stats.

I think it is difficult for djarvik to do something if there are no concrete suggestions. If he wants to delegate adjusting the roster to Elias and me, then it would be no problem for the two of us to run tests etc. Just an idea from my side and once this week is finished I'll have more free time to do that.

[djarvik]

I have no issues with that guys. At this point I think it might be a better way.

[Elias]

I think it is difficult for djarvik to do something if there are no concrete suggestions. If he wants to delegate adjusting the roster to Elias and me, then it would be no problem for the two of us to run tests etc. Just an idea from my side and once this week is finished I'll have more free time to do that.

He delegated it, but still will oversee it. For now i was working on compiling other things together for the patch (courts, chars, tweaking a bit surfaces etc), now i'm working on stats & balance. i already did some tests, mostly about char speeds, with San99 yesterday. I'll post something soon in the dev section to test so we can run more tests together and fine tune it further.

[C4iLL]

Just something about Llodra : he has currently a better forehand than its backhand. I'm not 100% sure, but I think it should be the contrary, as he may have in reality, a better BH than the FH.

[San99]

About Federer:

I think, we should reduce his FH power. He has a stat of 91, thats the 5th highest power stat on the FH and even more than Tsonga (88) and Nadal (88) have. His very high precision on the FH (97) should stay as it is, because thats what makes him so special.

Also the BH Power is pretty high (81), compared to Tsonga (74) and Nadal (81).

[C4iLL]

Personally, I think he has a more powerful FH than Nadal. And maybe than Tsonga too.

But reality and ITST are two different things, maybe it would be a good thing to lower his FH.

[Elias]

I also think we can reduce his FH power a little, still keeping it very good, for now it's a bit overdone, and then keeping his BH untouched.

Keep in mind not comparing raw power stats between chars though, what really matters in TE is not power alone, but more the power/spin ratio. try to give a 91 power to nadal, and he'll still have a very soft FH in comparison. anything higher than 55% spin and you really have to increase significantly the power stat to preserve a decent acceleration pace.

[Ugadalou]

Federer's FH should be a blast and as I said before it's his consistent and dangerous BH side that makes him overpowered.

Yes the ITST patch is in good way.

Thanks Elias for the upadate as well as for your work on the patch!

I think it is difficult for djarvik to do something if there are no concrete suggestions.

What makes you say that after an 8-page thread full of player suggestions..??Many players have repeatedly expressed their thorough opinion on what they think should change.The overall direction the stats tweaking should take lies on this thread.

Again,thanks to all mods,hosts and modders for your work.Really appreciated.