short cross court hits the most of the time ----> unsporty?

[JohnCurveo]

First of all stop comparing TS4 with real tennis, that's insane. Which tennis player makes 1-2 unforced errors in a match?

For the short cross shots. It's bullshit that when you only do short cross shots, you'll win the game. You can only do it a t certain moments. And also, it's your own fault if your opponent could have made this short cross shot. You just need em in the game because there are no unforced errors.

the best comment I've read since a long time here. but be sure, people who don't want to get it, won't get it

I remember matches with 4 UE in 200 points. That's so realistic.

[djarvik]

First of all stop comparing TS4 with real tennis, that's insane. Which tennis player makes 1-2 unforced errors in a match?

For the short cross shots. It's bullshit that when you only do short cross shots, you'll win the game. You can only do it a t certain moments. And also, it's your own fault if your opponent could have made this short cross shot. You just need em in the game because there are no unforced errors.

the best comment I've read since a long time here. but be sure, people who don't want to get it, won't get it

I remember matches with 4 UE in 200 points. That's so realistic.

First, IkSchijtInJeBek, I would like to ask you to change your username to something more appropriate. PM me what you want it to be - I will do it.

Second, I agree with you somewhat. Actually most of it besides the part where you say "stop comparing it to tennis". You see, when the game bares the word "tennis" in it's name, uses racquets and balls, courts and nice little outfits - oh wait, and is actually based on real tennis and has the same rules, I think it is not only right to compare it to tennis - it is a duty to do so, if you wish for a better game next time, if you wish to show with your feedback the direction you want the game makers to take.

I realized a while back that I cannot look past the the inconsistencies, glitches etc.. in this game and made a decision to stop playing. I gave my feedback and cast my vote. I didn't give up easy too, I tried a lot of different things, we tried a lot of things, to make it more like - you guessed it, tennis.

So if you are going to continue playing this game after that much time and that many attempts of bringing it closer to the real thing - then you need to live with all the good AND the bad in the game. There is nothing more can or will be done by pretty much anyone.



@Ali-Iqb93, you damn right. TS3 had has its problems AND control shots. But they were done right. They were a "touch" shots that could not be used for nothing else then a quick direction change or a pace breaker.

To me, the shot, the one shot that did it for TS4, is the short cross FLAT control. That is the most ridicules shot (out of many) and should not exist.

[Marco_Theo_81]

First of all stop comparing TS4 with real tennis, that's insane. Which tennis player makes 1-2 unforced errors in a match?

For the short cross shots. It's bullshit that when you only do short cross shots, you'll win the game. You can only do it a t certain moments. And also, it's your own fault if your opponent could have made this short cross shot. You just need em in the game because there are no unforced errors.

I know that my english isn't at the top, but do you understand what this "" signific? Also I mentioned many times that this is a game.

Of course it will be never a game 100% compared to the reality, maybe in 100 years, when you can dress an overall and play a virtual game like in some films.

Maybe it's my own fault, I am not a great player, at my age and in my personal situation I can't play the whole day and perfectionate it. I play for fun, but where's the fun in a tennis "virtual" game with ridicoulus shots? Like Djarvik sad, you lost in this situations the pleausre for this game.

Ask Ali, Dennie, Tam or Liviolini, how we play with eachother. We have great matches, and very close sometimes.... ok, Dennie, against you is like aargh...

But the most important thing is, we bring our matches very close to the reality. I repeat that: very CLOSE to the REALITY. Great rallies. This is what brings the fun.
But in that point with unforced errors you have 100% right.
Would be nice to have UE if you hit to early or to late.

I am not a tennis player in real life, I played in semi pro league Table Tennis in younger years and still play it, but just for fun with friends and also strangers in parks. Sometimes with bets...
I say that, to tell, that I don't know all hits capabilities in tennis, but these kind of hits I am sure don't exist in so many attempts.

@Firderis: Du bist ja Deutscher, richtig? But I comment in english for the others. You played a lot with Welch if I am right. So I think it's natural you are for the short crosses. I never played against you, I am sure I would lose without points. But you mastered this fantasy hits, so it would be zero fun for me to play against you.
P.S Samstag können wir euch hoffentlich packen, Hopp Schwiiz!

And of course Hopp Roger

[DennieFR1908]

there should be a gentleman agreement among the top players to keep it realistic like it was before with likos, fabada zooloo etc, sadly this is now gone.

Welch, Babb, not playing to win though

Dunnow why you have to offend me anyway, you seem like a very annoying guy man. Yes I play to win, ofcourse to win, but also for fun. I wont play every rally short cross it destroys that fun you see? There are people, not even saying it's you, and people know who I mean, who play every ball short cross, it's disguisting I see those people as no lifers otherwise you can't do this. It's just a game you know and it's sad if you are not even playing a game for fun but for this kind of sh*t it sais alot about the personality of those people. And hey if you think I'm as low as these guys and also do anything to win no prob I couldn't care less. talk away

[DennieFR1908]

And for the people who are talking about the realism of the game which is not very high, it's not about that. It's what I just said a game should be for fun and playing short crosses all day ruin that fun. The game itself can be really enjoyable if you master it. Your own foult if people can play a shortcross? Bullsh*t a SCS pro can hit them from every corner. Like I say before it's game raping.

[Biscaia_]

This post has been very interesting. I cannot summarize all the comments that have been made around here.

I am a bit biased, because I like defensive baseline playing. One of the great source of points done using a DB strategy is tiring the opponent out, forcing him to do errors (or unforcing him, if you know what I mean). Yes, in this game, stamina doesn't have a big effect, so this strategy is limped and DB players need to do winners. The only real winner we have is short cross court. Sometimes, even the only winner OB players have is also in short cross court or in response to a short cross court

I can't see the game like you do. For me the game is always fun, because there is always the strategic component of defeating your opponent. You don't like short cross court, play the ball deep to the middle of the court, for instance (this is just an example on how strategic behaviour is, not intending to say that this works)

Luckily, I have played with almost all players posting here. (L. twice to Shocase, once to Fifa tee and Ali, W. against Marco, Tam, Patko) and I can say I had fun with all of them, and I look forward to meet them again on court, specially the ones I have lost with. I have learned a lot with the recent losses with Ali, and with Fifa Tee (who has a strategy very different and far more interesting than his cousin, IMO)

For the short cross shots. It's bullshit that when you only do short cross shots, you'll win the game. You can only do it at certain moments. And also, it's your own fault if your opponent could have made this short cross shot. You just need em in the game because there are no unforced errors.

2K should with a patch disarm a little bit these very fast control shots. They are the only who can, yes.

Those very fast control shots do not happen all the time! Only when the ball is in the appropriate conditions, usually after a bad return. I'm sure those power players (Patko, Ali) will find a way around this strategy.

[DennieFR1908]

Biscaia I like to play you sometime. You like to add me? psn is the same as my itst name.

[Ali-Iqb93]

Biscaia is great player.. After a long time here I won a 3setter tough match

[DennieFR1908]

Marco, if there is doubles in olimpic games itst, we have to play it!

Well, i dont think short crosses are boring, i think its a part of the game, and its impossible to determine if someone uses it a lot or not.

First, it was Welch or extreme power players, now is short crosses. What's next.
@Dennie "I felt that im better player". Thats the same that some "top" player of itst said to me at the end of a match "if u dont use this i beat u in 2 sets". So beautiful words, it shows that he doesn't care about fun or realism, he cares about winning. My brother played some matches of itst too, but he lost to this guy with gallo extreme. U know what he said? GG "youre good".

I dont know u Dennie, but i expect u dont have the same hypocrite actitude. I enjoy all my mathces of itst, i dont kill my opponents 6060, because its not funny, just look at my results. Sometimes i complicate matches to make it more real. And ive been acused of destroying itst.[/list]

Maybe I should say "I know I'm the better player". It's not even cocky to say it's a fact. All he does is short crossing. And no I'm not hyporcrite I play the game for fun, realism and I'm always respectfull to my opponents. Altough that doesn't mean I make a match harder when I'm much better. If he is not very good 6-0 6-0 will be the result I'm not going to sponser him games. No fun for me.

And "first it was welch, now short crosses" is not true. The problem with Welch was already the short crosses, altough it where also about other corners, they where just to easy to make so all short cross cheesers took him to execute it even easier. Still a good thing he is banned.

[Biscaia_]

Biscaia I like to play you sometime. You like to add me? psn is the same as my itst name.

I hope it is just for fun and not for argument tossing Yeah, I'll add you, but I am a bit busy lately (attending a massive rock festival this weekend in Lisbon)... maybe next week!

[Tamthewasp]

Biscaia I like to play you sometime. You like to add me? psn is the same as my itst name.

you won't have fun



Sometimes the Flat SCC has to be done but when 90 % of your winners are this shot it gets boring fast but when 90% of your shots are this it's bullsh#t. Pyross is the worst. He has so many unfinished games. An yes you can strategize buy hitting deep middle shots but you also have to try and hit winners and if you go dlt and don't hit a winner Flat SCC.

I still think there is a small amount who abuse it. I use it not all the time. I prefer a poweted topspin cross court.

[Ali-Iqb93]

To me, the shot, the one shot that did it for TS4, is the short cross FLAT control. That is the most ridicules shot (out of many) and should not exist.


You are right flat control shot is the worst.. It destroys the movement. Extremely difficult to return flat cross court control shot with power shots only if you anticipate well then you have the chance.. Flat CCS are even more worse than top spin control cross courts

[DennieFR1908]

Biscaia I like to play you sometime. You like to add me? psn is the same as my itst name.

you won't have fun

wddya mean tam why not?

[C4iLL]

Before the update, I don't remember control shots have the effect they have today, but I'm not 100% sure.

[Tamthewasp]

I played his Welch. Same old story. Boring. I hear he uses the Slavina setup but I can assume it will be the same gameplan.