TS4 Cheese Statement (Fair Play at the ITST)

[Corbon]

Have you ever seen powerful servers like Roddick, Federer or Sampras deliberately serving a straight 80 mph on their 1st serve? No? Me neither. Why? Because the returner would have ample time to position himself so that he could punish the **** out of it.

Unfortunately TS4 won't give you that option, returning a serve (non-kick or slice) so slow as if being puked out by a ball machine at full power. Cheesy players know that of course. ZPS is not even an option on 2nd serve because it's so easy to hit a good serve (100 mph+ even with Welch) all the time. Just waiting for a loophole that players will deliberately miss their 1st serve and then follow up with a ZPS 2nd serve and then claim that it would be realistic to do so.

In short, ZPS is unrealistic, cheesy and retarded.

[Mike-Z-92]

Hi!
I'm new here and I'm not sure about one thing: tramline serving means that you move towards the tramlines in order to serve out wide. But it is it ok and according to the rules to use the slice serve to the ad court while I'm standing in the middle while serving?
Another question: When I played my first match, my opponent told me after the match that it isn't allowed to serve only from the middle of the court and that I have to constantly move my player before serving...

Thanks in advance!

[Rob ITST]

When I played my first match, my opponent told me after the match that it isn't allowed to serve only from the middle of the court and that I have to constantly move my player before serving...

Then your opponent doesn't understand the rules.

It is never ok to move your player wider than the default position, but it is always ok to move to the middle.

[ELTXETXU]

Hi!
I'm new here and I'm not sure about one thing: tramline serving means that you move towards the tramlines in order to serve out wide. But it is it ok and according to the rules to use the slice serve to the ad court while I'm standing in the middle while serving?

Yes it's according to the rules. You can serve using any kind of serve (flat, slice, or top spin) when you want. You can serve too, 1 or two steps away from the middle without probem. The only thing that is forbidden is serve from the tramline. Also Zero Power Serves (ZPS) are considered cheesy

Another question: When I played my first match, my opponent told me after the match that it isn't allowed to serve only from the middle of the court and that I have to constantly move my player before serving...

Thanks in advance!

It's the first time that i hear something like that. It isn't true. For ex. in SIM you MUST serve ALWAYS from the middle of the court

[Ali-Iqb93]

You serve by standing either from middle or one step away from middle..

[Mike-Z-92]

Yeah, I was wondering too, because it sounded a little weird ^^

Ok, thanks for responding that quickly

[polakis]

Sorry what do you mean by Zero Power Serve?

Because i made 4-5 slice serves (2 of them were aces) in a match and my opponent told me that i made ZPS. I made them with the stick down then diagonal left like the strong flat serve. Is this zero power? My timing was perfect...

[VMoe86]

Sorry what do you mean by Zero Power Serve?

Because i made 4-5 slice serves (2 of them were aces) in a match and my opponent told me that i made ZPS. I made them with the stick down then diagonal left like the strong flat serve. Is this zero power? My timing was perfect...

Slice serves executed with the stick or at full power with the button are no problem - a zero power serve is executed by only tapping a button (you get less than 100 km/h or so).

[ELTXETXU]

Sorry what do you mean by Zero Power Serve?

Because i made 4-5 slice serves (2 of them were aces) in a match and my opponent told me that i made ZPS. I made them with the stick down then diagonal left like the strong flat serve. Is this zero power? My timing was perfect...

if you do a slice serve exactly like you do a power flat serve, no, it isn't a Zero Power Serve. I dont know very well how to do it, but i think you can do it pushing the right stick down and inmediately up (too soon timing). Its difficult to explain. Normally ZPS travels around 115/125 km/h

[VillaJ100]

Yeah i have hit a few, and all accidentally. it is a serve where it goes about 75-85 mph, but very accurate. like 2 feet from the net out wide accurate.

[VectorPL]

This rules should be added to the head rules ITST ( http://www.intertopspintour.net/index.p ... 4&gc=PSTS4 ) since not everyone is able to read all the posts on the forum.

[JohnCurveo]

I have a question, When a player serves at 160-180 km/h, and i make a power return to the lines sometimes, like Isner for example, its allowed? is glitch return?

Thank u

[Corbon]

A glitch return is a return that forces the server to automatically move 3 steps back behind the baseline. Needless to say that the server will be in a very poor position afterwards and is prone to getting drop shot. These returns can be executed deliberately.

[JohnCurveo]

Thank u Corbon!

[straightcash05]

I played a match today against Fifa Tee, and he spammed inside-out BH's (did it like 13 times, including 3 times in one point). So I mentioned to him afterwards why he--someone who is so good and doesn't need to use it anyway--would use such a cheesy shot so much and he said "ok, from now on I will let my opponents attack my weaker wing and do nothing about it." Um, hello, that doesn't make it not a cheesy shot. It's super unrealistic, and you almost never see it used in real life unless a ball is coming directly at someone and he'll have more room to hit it by going ahead and doing a inside-out BH (and he was never jammed and did this whenever he had time to look at the ball). But it's never used intentionally in an offensive situation.

Now this isn't why I lost, I played awful and had no chance anyway. But I just wanted to point out how cheesy of a shot it is. Actually, if you watch the Fifa vs Fabada video, he used it against him quite a few times and it helped him win those points, including a few big ones.

I think excessively using this shot shouldn't be allowed.