Rule Test Tournament 2012

[LokiSharpShootr]

This really looks interesting, i might come back and play a few matches with a bickham setud i´ve always liked.

[Firderis]

I just picked a DBL (Slavina with 1/2/17, 84FH/74BH) and played some matches against a Rabari (1/15/4, 79FH/74BH).

My impressions:

My opponent's tactic simply was to overpower my weak side. Due to his power, I was only able to answer with balls getting more and more short during the rally. I could not produce any pressure on him, as he was able to run down most of my balls because he could keep his points short, especially on his serve which is as powerful as before the new rules.

the reason was, that with my orange wing I could not produce any pressure at all, as longline-winners were no option for me with only 57 power, in addition my crossflats were not sharp enough (which is the main-difference to welsh, regarding also that slavinas stamina only is orange).
a dbl lives from draining stamina from the opponent, but this includes that it should be possible to attack or counter at a certain point in a rally which is currently not the case because you can't outplay a rabari as slavina.

I guess Rabari and Neuwirth will be the only two top coaches. Defensive baseliners would disappear with these rules as power-players become too mighty. Despite we have a large variety now on coaches, we have to see how many of them really can hurt rabari/neuwirth.

I would like to play against a neuwirth with orange speed, guess he will be even more dominating than a rabari-build, producing good angles with shot counter, having power and a good speed. Is anyone playing this setup?

[DennieFR1908]

I played sh0Case with these new rules. He also has players with a orange and red wing. It's about you man you have to time more precise to produce great shots you are not playing with welch anymore Slavina is definetely playable.. perhaps you have to train some more to be able to control him. Neuwirth and Rabari only 2 top coaches? What about Babb, Gallo and Grody? And also Slavina and those 2 silver coaches are strong setups there are enough choices just invest time to master him you shouldn't jump to conclusions so soon..

And if you don't like a 74 bh why don't you make 79 79 for wings? Also you have 67 reflex so you can take balls early and counter really well and also crazy speed if this setup isn't playable I really don't understand. Also you have Reach shot expert very effective special skill in defense. Should be the perfect setup for a DB

[Firderis]

You mean it's as simple as always pointing to welsh, who wins matches without a player behind?

Dennie, didn't you say we don't have to point at very top players like sh0case but look at the average players, when developing new rules?

slavina is the same type of player than welsh, so I don't have to get used to him. that you have to be more precise with him is also clear, but one consequence is noticeable to me, to say it simple: what now is welsh, will be neuwirth. of course, we still have test and this is MY first impression. but please, be a bit more deep than always refer to welsh who needs no skill...just boring.

[Tamthewasp]

I agree witg dennie here. Also Peto chesire will ve deadly. I don't really know what DFB coaches are available as I never go to deep into DFB.


My Babb 3-15-2 is a totally different player the 98 power has been cut to 83 making just blasting your past opponents a thing of the past. 91 serve means you can still hot aces but lower power means more will be hit back into play.

I played babb vs a SnV and a neuwirth setup. Was not able to compete against a neuworth as my stamina dtained to quick but that is more to do with my opponent being better I guess.

[DennieFR1908]

I don't point to welch man, I'm just saying you cannot expect Slavina plays like Welch. Thank god that it's not easy to make those short crosses anymore. Setups arn't simular because slavina has at least -14 points on his wings. Big difference. And no it's not about the top players but it does say it is possible to master them. Like I say just train and adjust to your new setup and then see what he can do. Every setup plays different. Perhaps I'm thinking a bit deeper than you think. It's no coincedence these new rules doesn't include Welch right. The moment these rules will be introduces I'll be back on tour again.

And may I ask how many matches you played against Neuwrith? Rules are just introduced for testing and you already know Neuwirth is the new Welch? Talking about jumping to conclusions.. perhaps it's true I'm not so smart that I already exactly know how it all works. Perhaps you are..

[Firderis]

Sometimes it's just good provoke in order to discuss. it's just a thesis which is mainly based on my experience of the game and my matches against rabari so far. by his stats, neuwirth didn't get much weaker as well as rabari. this let's my see a trend.

btw, i didn't say slavina plays exactly like welch, but both are dbl with same weapons. I just gave my impression of some matches I made and the problems I see.

of course there needs to be more testing to see things more clear, I wrote it in my first post, no need to say this every time. and if I chance my opinion after the tournament, this wouldn't be a problem for me.

[Ary1g]

I'm just stating the obvious. TI is and will always be OP in this game.

Obvious in your head. Don't you get it man? ...everything is OP for you. In your head, subconsciously, we all need to play with 70 overall for it not to be OP. I am not saying this to get under your skin. I really think this is the case....you just dont know it yet. You will discover OP stuff in ANY set of rules. You not a "player", you are a "changer". You enjoy the process of attempting to change the game or impose rules etc more than actual game play.

You know how I know? ....cause I am the exact same way. Difference? ...I have been through a bit more in this department, and learned a few things. The game will never be the way you want it.

Ary, get real. Pick a top player and compete. If you picking a lesser player - don't bitch.

I won't go into that discussion at all now. I just played against a Chesire and he's got the skill to exploit the crap out of this game. It may not be unbeatable with a top coach, I don't know yet, but it's sure that you can wait out every point, defending using top spins to build up your "invasion" for then to start attacking later on in the point with pin-point top spin shots. It's not that hard to see that option of gameplan.

I'm not bitching, at least, that's not my intention. I'm just stating my opinion based on the test matches I've played. Rabari and Neuwirth won't be much different with these rules than with no rules, which is a disappointment for me. So it's clear to me that they'll probably be well above any other coaches with these rules. Need a higher low stat to bring AA into the game.

[Tamthewasp]

The intention of bringing babb n gallo 2 a reasonable has been succesful. Well at least with babb. Not played with or against a gallo yet. These where extreme stats not anymore.

[Ary1g]

The intention of bringing babb n gallo 2 a reasonable has been succesful. Well at least with babb. Not played with or against a gallo yet. These where extreme stats not anymore.

Yes, they are successful with the extreme builds. However, there's still the ones in between. Played Bob with his Gallo. Seemed very good balanced. When his serve was working, there's was little to nothing I could do. Very close and tight match. Three sets, 1h 7mins.

[Ary1g]

Played against Tamthewasp recently. He used Babb, I used Durech.

Babb seems more balanced now. Tam was able to crush 24 aces during our three set match, so his serve isn't weak at all. He took the first set with relative ease, being solid on serve, getting one break from me to serve out the set 4-6. In the second he lost a bit momentum on his serve, giving me more chances to break him. After being able to get a double break on him, I served the set 6-2. Going into the 3rd, he struggled finding his first serve in the opening game, giving me an early break and shortly after I could secure a double break. Halfway through the set he started serving very well and putting a lot of pressure on my serve. Being able to snatch back a break from me in an all out attack-comeback mode, but wasn't able to hold serve to keep me from taking the 3rd set, 6-3. The three sets took 1 hour sharp. Very enjoyable match. He was quite often up at the net(considering it's babb), scoring 24/38 net points.

EDIT: Forgot to mention! In one of his serve games, he knocked 4 aces in a row!


Updated 20.53cet: Played a match against Firderis just now. around 20pm cet. He used Chesire. Played only one set, forfeit the 2nd after losing 3-6. Summary: Short cross, short cross, short cross, short cross, short cross......

[DennieFR1908]

Updated 20.53cet: Played a match against Firderis just now. around 20pm cet. He used Chesire. Played only one set, forfeit the 2nd after losing 3-6. Summary: Short cross, short cross, short cross, short cross, short cross......

Pff yea I know how annoying that is.. Hope that chesire won't become CHEESire but then again it's only a test if he appears to be a new short cross master mods know what to do...

firdirirs I cannot understand how you find satisfaction in your way of play man. Always search for the short crossing it is so one dimensional and boring... And if that isn't easy to do with a setup you complain here to say the setup isn't competable.. maybe it's just me but I base this conclusion of my experiences against you and what I hear from others..

[Firderis]

Updated 20.53cet: Played a match against Firderis just now. around 20pm cet. He used Chesire. Played only one set, forfeit the 2nd after losing 3-6. Summary: Short cross, short cross, short cross, short cross, short cross......

Pff yea I know how annoying that is.. Hope that chesire won't become CHEESire but then again it's only a test if he appears to be a new short cross master mods know what to do...

firdirirs I cannot understand how you find satisfaction in your way of play man. Always search for the short crossing it is so one dimensional and boring... And if that isn't easy to do with a setup you complain here to say the setup isn't competable.. maybe it's just me but I base this conclusion of my experiences against you and what I hear from others..

Dennie, you played ONE match with me and you know my way of play?

I use them in an amount like everyone else here. if I would play only short crosses, I wouldn't win a match, you know it. further, it's a valid part of TS4-gamplay. and from now on, I won't justify this anymore, you can both think what you want, I simply play the game and deal with all the cheesy things


about Ary1g: not to be disrespectful, but I don't take him serious anymore, he even called playing shortcrosses "exploiting the game".
everything is overpowered for him (perhaps even his mother) to hide his own mental failure, so please read his paranoid accusations with caution. thanks!

[Ary1g]

about Ary1g: not to be disrespectful, but I don't take him serious anymore, he even called playing shortcrosses "exploiting the game".
everything is overpowered for him (perhaps even his mother) to hide his own mental failure, so please read his paranoid accusations with caution. thanks!

Thanks for that, Firderis. Lost all my respect for you now.

Anyway, to clear things up. I said that doing short crosses with TI is exploiting the game engine. It's way too easy to do with it, and so easy to spam those short crosses like you do. Not to mention that it's possible to do very effective short TS crosses without TI in this game, however this requires perfect timing and shot selection. With TI this just becomes too easy. You don't know it yourself, but the first half of the match was enjoyable. However, once you started to feel how effective the short crosses and top spins were, you used them 90% of the time. My advice to you: Use Rabari. You're great with him, and you play much better tennis with him, instead of playing out all TS4 glitches and flaws..

[Firderis]

I just can't understand you guys. you want to make a game out of TS4, that it never can be.
Ary1g, are you really surprised about my reaction when you transport a false and devaluating picture about the way I play?

angles and shortcrosses are a valid part of the gameplay, especially they are elemental for defensive baseliners, who can't put all balls wide to the corners, due their lack of power. it's just consequent that shortcrosses are more important in their gameplan compared to a powerplayer. why don't you accept this fact?
I know it's not realistic, but it's a game and this game gives us a frame in which we can move. this frame is not realistic at all, I agree. but you won't change some basics in TS4 with any rule.
honestly, play tennis elbow, it's a perfect game for you. I also enjoy playing it.

I am at a point, where I'm just disgusted about this paranoia about exploiting, overpoweredness, accusations concerning a non-realistic way of play in a game which doesn't offer us to play realistic. that's why I won't give any feedback here anymore. it just leads to nothing but offendings.

accept the game how it is, people will always do what they need to win. don't whine about welsh, but be willing to fight against him. personally, I think that neuwirth/rabari/welsh are good balanced.
my recent matches against Ali, Obskur, pyrros-dimas and federer_4ever, all using rabari and not mentally biased, showed me that. It were very close matches, which I could only win in details. to federer_4ever I even lost. how can this be? I am playing welsh.