Rule Test Tournament 2012

[DennieFR1908]

The R1 quick serve and staying nack is cheesy. Remember we are trying our best to replicate real tennis and in teal tennis terms that move is invalid

I do this all the time.. can't see why this is cheesy you don't get any advantage out of it I believe serve is even a little less precise..

[Tamthewasp]

The R1 quick serve and staying nack is cheesy. Remember we are trying our best to replicate real tennis and in teal tennis terms that move is invalid

I do this all the time.. can't see why this is cheesy you don't get any advantage out of it I believe serve is even a little less precise..

U believe it is easir 2 hit the lines witb the r1 serve. Also it comes at ypu quicker than expected., It nay be just me but I doubt it. Thinl of who does it in real pro tennis.,

[djarvik]

I am with you Tam on that serve issue. Just another in game exploit.

And with Dennie about Arys argument. I hate to do it, but "I told you so". No amount of rules can help the fact that there WILL be some coaches better then others. You pick a rather mediocre coach and played against a top coach used by a top player in Drnnie. Welcome to reality my friend

[Ary1g]

Lol, I had a feeling you would instantly come here to the forum. Like I told you the reason all my shots are so precise is becuase I know exactly how to place them like that. It's easy to put it away on the setup but I've played a new rule Rabary, and a new rule Grody. They could play like I could, I couldn't blow them away. The reason I could destroy you was because you just used a non competitive setup with low power, I had no pressure whatsoever on my strokes and could do what I wanted. (didn't even play so good actually) You talk about me like you just played a noob who could win because he has a very strong setup or something.

"A match against Grody was much closer match than against 86 power Neuwirth." Your talking like your playing setups instead of people.. Everyone plays different, some people suit you better than others. I can make these corners with every setup because I just know how to play them. You can say to me it's rediculous that my 74 FH is stronger then your 86 FH but when I just time better then you it's not so strange when you think about it.

Lol, you begin your post like I'm a noob. Come on, I don't want any bad blood between us. It seems to me that we have very much the same opinions about this game

Of course I would post my experience here right away. Been waiting a long time to play you, see what build you would use and see how good you are.

Anyway, No disrespect to you Dennie. You're a great player. I must correct you though. I didn't say I played A Grody, I said I played Zooloo using Grody. I think you and him are comparable in level. The last time you met in a tournament he beat you in straight sets. Therefore I don't think it's so wrong of me to compare those matches. Of course, I would very much like to play you using Grody too, so I can compare it perfectly.

Yes, Djarvik. I know that's reality. I didn't expect anything else, though I was hoping for something else than a 74/74, 86 powered Neuwirth. I hoped that there wouldn't be any Neuwirths so powerful, however I was wrong. As said, glad that Welsh is gone anyway. I'll just use Neuwirth. Got a nice hang of it right before this test tournament showed up.

Out of curiosity, what was the deciding factors with setting the limit at 42? Why not 50 for instance? Yes, many more builds would become unavailable, but it might make it more even. Bringing more AA into the tour. These rules are really promising. I think with some tweaks they could become perfect.

[Rob ITST]

I don't see any problem with the R1 serve - like someone else said, it's the only way to mix in S&V without your opponent knowing when you are coming in and staying back. I also don't see any advantage to it (other than disguising when you will S&V).

R1 for fake approach groundstokes...... I find that very cheesy.

[djarvik]

I already answered it Ary. The target was to tone down the now popular and powerful setups.

BTW - I find it rather easy to play Neuwirth's or any power player in the first place. So I honestly cannot comment on your experience. Unless the player moves wide to serve - I eat power for breakfast, lunch and dinner with my 45 Powered setup. If I lose it is because the other player is truly better at the game. Judging by the fact you are compelled ti use R1 all the time on serve as "there is no other way to SV and AA are gonna die if not" I would say you simply not a very good AA player. You maybe better suited bu a pure defender setup? Or maybe even one of the power setups? Just a though, not taking anything away from you.

[djarvik]

R1 for fake approach groundstokes...... I find that very cheesy.

R1 for serves has the same effect. Granted, the time windows are a bit different, but the serve is "heavier" and the fact that animation starts and moves way faster then the usual, means that tons of guys abuse it right after replays, not letting the opponent to pick the serving position.

SV with it, then fake a few times - cool with me. If you are an SV Setup and constantly using it - cool with me too, but the power baseliner or a defender setup constantly using? Why? ...assuming there is no benefit.

[DennieFR1908]

The last time you met in a tournament he beat you in straight sets.

Little lame to come up with that man, this was his only easy win against me, I played pretty bad and it was about 4 month's ago.

Difference is that Zooloo got a little sick of the game, I don't see him play anywhere near the hours I saw him playing last year, and I've been training alot to improve my game. By now I'm definetely alot better then I was 4 months ago. Like I said I also played a grody, and that setups was clearly no less then mine. His diesel hard hitter combined with his great volley stats and even a volley skill make him very competitive with these new rules.. Probably the only new dominant setup (that I can think of so far)

[Tamthewasp]

@Ary did you not say you where lookung forward 2 playing a new rules rabary or neuwirth. Also Dennie is just a hands down beast.

I playef dennie he won won 6-2 and I was hitting 90% perfect.
I believe with the new breed.coming through last years top players will not be top players for long.

I pushed likos hard in our sony tournament match.

But when I push dennie hard I lose easy

[Ary1g]

The R1 quick serve and staying nack is cheesy. Remember we are trying our best to replicate real tennis and in teal tennis terms that move is invalid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx85eXlv6Go

There are so many serves from Federer and Roddick where they land inside the baseline. Just like you do when using R1 serve. Especially at 0:58, 1:47, 1:53, just to mention a few.

I don't know. You get no better serve with it, it doesn't come faster or slower than a regular serve. It's just a different preparation than regular serve and is a great disguise for S&V(the only way of successfully playing S&V against the top players). Just as Dennie said, you may even get less accuracy on the serve using it. Also, any build can use the R1-serve, not just a handful of coaches. How is it cheesy? You can even lose points right away on returns if you hold the wrong directions of the movement stick. Much easier to get return winners against you with R1 serve than regular serve.

Lets have a match where both use R1 serve and then another match where both use regular serve(except when S&V). I'm sure the results will be the same.


Djarvik. I'm not abusing it before replays. Everyone I've played against can vouch for that. I even believe I'm one of the slowest to start serving. Often waiting a second or two before serving. I could even wait 3 seconds if people think the serves come to close after the replay. Dennie got one single serve ace on me with serving before replay was completely done. (Serve came right away when replay disappeared). It happened only once during our 3 matches, so don't feel like that was a problem.

[DennieFR1908]

R1 for fake approach groundstokes...... I find that very cheesy.

R1 for serves has the same effect. Granted, the time windows are a bit different, but the serve is "heavier" and the fact that animation starts and moves way faster then the usual, means that tons of guys abuse it right after replays, not letting the opponent to pick the serving position.

SV with it, then fake a few times - cool with me. If you are an SV Setup and constantly using it - cool with me too, but the power baseliner or a defender setup constantly using? Why? ...assuming there is no benefit.

But he meanes when you use the R1 as approach groundstrokes, becouse they have a special skill for it, meaning they become more precise. I don't have a approach serve skill or something so my serve shouldn't be more effective right I've been doing this since the beginning of the game so ppl don't know when I'm going to the net I never heard a complainment about it. Also tried serving without R1 there is definetely no big difference I cannot make easy corners with my R1 serve.

[Tamthewasp]

I don't see any problem with the R1 serve - like someone else said, it's the only way to mix in S&V without your opponent knowing when you are coming in and staying back. I also don't see any advantage to it (other than disguising when you will S&V).

R1 for fake approach groundstokes...... I find that very cheesy.

If you SnV then yh it is a tactic but if you have no intetion of ever approaching the net then you are just taking advantage [/list]

[Ary1g]

@Ary did you not say you where lookung forward 2 playing a new rules rabary or neuwirth. Also Dennie is just a hands down beast.

I playef dennie he won won 6-2 and I was hitting 90% perfect.
I believe with the new breed.coming through last years top players will not be top players for long.

I pushed likos hard in our sony tournament match.

But when I push dennie hard I lose easy

Yes, I looked forward because I hoped that there wouldn't feel like too much between them anymore. However, there aren't much difference for Neuwirth. He hasn't been much affected by these rules.

If you SnV then yh it is a tactic but if you have no intetion of ever approaching the net then you are just taking advantage.

I go for S&V about 2 or 3 times every service game. I agree, if you never S&V, then there shouldn't be any reason to use it. Though some people like the animation better, which is a fine reason for me. I like it much better. Much smoother and more like real life serves. After playing Dennie, I don't see any reason why this is cheesy. His serves aren't any better than Ali's regular serve (at least I believe to remember him using regular serves) with Rabari. Approx the same stats.

[djarvik]

All shots, skill or not, with R1 are better. They are more precise and more powerful. The skill makes them even better. Same as inside out shots, they are already more powerful by default, but the skill makes even more powerful. Take a guy with roughly 65-70 stroke and around 50 in power. Hit a few fully powered forehands, listen to the sound and look at the velocity of the ball. Now repeat the same while holding Inside out button..... it is rather clear. Same goes for R1 shots. They are "heavier", meaning they are harder to return. Just like the skill says, only it works without of the skill too.

Same goes for R1 serves. They are made slightly harder to return to compensate for SV guys.

So anyone using R1 on serve can't really complain if others using R1 mid rally.

And Ary, sorry, but the video you show and you argument totally fails. Not sure if I asked you, but do you play tennis (real life)?

99% of the tour telegraphs their SV serves. It is very visible by their toss and in most cases even the motion itself. I am not even touching on other tell-tell signs that 99% of individuals do when they serve.

There is nothing wrong if your opponent seeing you are going to SV. If you serve well, he wont have time to react anyway and will likely be holding a Slice button by the time you toss the ball. If you are not a great server - I can see how it can come in handy to full your opponent, you know basically he is "reading" you, so you say - "hey, I will use R1 all the time..." Kinda lame.

But hey, this is just my opinion.....do what you like, it is not forbidden at all.

[VMoe86]

do what you like, it is not forbidden at all.

I miss a devilish "not yet" These R1 serves should be put on the official cheese list, though.