98 serve 98 power poll

[JohnCurveo]

"I watch real life tennis and Isner and Karlovic can't win shit with their mega serves so I don't see your point."

Isner: 3 ATP titles, 5 times finalist, CF US Open, and 11 in ATP once.

But, if u want, i cn tlk about the bst server ever in history of tennis: Goran Ivanisevic.

num of ACES:

1998 Goran Ivanisevic (CRO) 1.065
1997 Goran Ivanisevic (CRO) 1.048
1996 Goran Ivanisevic (CRO) 1.477
1994 Goran Ivanisevic (CRO) 1.169

1 time Wimbledon champion, 3 GS finals, SF US Open, CF AO and RG, num 2 in the world, 22 titles, 26 finals...

[Agassi_Return]

if u watch real live tennis u will know it.

these are the main three reasons why 98/98 is overpowered and unrealistic compare to real tennis:

- you can serve with 220>kmh on your 2nd serve EASILY
- there is nearly no risk to hit the lines on the 2nd serve
- Stutter return bug
- stamina stats are way to high for power serve setting

(i lost 10/546 matches in wt

that proves just more that the setting is unbalanced.

Goran Ivanišević
Ivo Karlović
Roddick
Isner
etc.

all these guys with powerfull serve in real tennis are nothing compare to real tennis legends, who won more than 3 GS without using ONLY powerfull serve to win points

[Corbon]

Yeah I'm not even going to compare those One Slam Wonders to players like Sampras or Agassi.

Not to mention a 80-100% First Serve. And returns in TS4 are weak in general unless you have a skill that enhances them.

[JohnCurveo]

"these are the main three reasons why 98/98 is overpowered and unrealistic compare to real tennis: "

there are the main three reasons why Top Spin 4 is unrealistic, without 98/98:
- You can be Nalbandian GOD mode all the time.
- You can return 230km/h (not lines) easily if ur good.
- You can serve 100 km/h usually.
- You can make drop shots easily with Welch.

Your reasons:
"you can serve with 220>kmh on your 2nd serve EASILY "
and its more easy to return.

"there is nearly no risk to hit the lines on the 2nd serve ". No risk? If u want to play 98/98 with very good players (30 level or more in wt), u have to make more risks in serve than u think, and it's not easy.

"Stutter return bug"
Its hard to return good players serve with 98/98. Like in real tennis. If u are a mug, Isner will destroy your serve with powerful returns.

"stamina stats are way to high for power serve setting"
I don't think so.

"Goran Ivanišević
Ivo Karlović
Roddick
Isner
etc.

all these guys with powerfull serve in real tennis are nothing compare to real tennis legends, who won more than 3 GS without using ONLY powerfull serve to win points"

real tennis legends... ur right, being number 2 and being 4 times finalist of wimbledon is pure sht. It's so easy. if u don't win more than 3 slams ur weird, and if u dont win any Slam, u're the worst sht ever, like Murray, Ferrer, Tsonga, Berdych... and don't talk about players like Gasquet...

[Tamthewasp]

Now now lads.

98/98 is a bit OP

Babb is the only coach that really lets you play like Isner Roddick etc..

It also has glaring weakneses

In the pros Roddick in the right hands is a beast.

98/98 is the most extreme power setup but also has the most flaws.

[Agassi_Return]

Your reasons:
"you can serve with 220>kmh on your 2nd serve EASILY "
and its more easy to return.

easy to return but hard to return on perfect timing AND get the next shot...and dont forget the stutter bug.

and by the way do you really think 80-100% on first serve or second serve is realistic? lol come on...

If u want to play 98/98 with very good players (30 level or more in wt), u have to make more risks in serve than u think, and it's not easy.

I am Level 37 and played against these guys and yes you can serve on your 2nd serve with 220 speed easily and on lines! realistic? not really!

As i said before:

I played against one of these guys last week and its was a close match due to his 98/98 setting. I beat him in the tie break and he asked me for rematch. I agreed but only with real tennis players. So we did the rematch and he losed 3/0 3/0 without any chance.

...and no i do not play with welch or >80/>80 settings

"Stutter return bug"
Its hard to return good players serve with 98/98. Like in real tennis. If u are a mug, Isner will destroy your serve with powerful returns.

the return shutter bug is just a flaw, where your player dont move 1-2 seconds after returning, which makes it much harder to play the next shot. especially against 230 kmh serve and 98 power shot.

real tennis legends... ur right, being number 2 and being 4 times finalist of wimbledon is pure sht. It's so easy. if u don't win more than 3 slams ur weird, and if u dont win any Slam, u're the worst sht ever, like Murray, Ferrer, Tsonga, Berdych... and don't talk about players like Gasquet...

You dont get it. You know 90% of all players in wt mode plays with power >86 and most of them uses power ~95 settings. Why? cause those settings are just unbalanced and need less skill. Not only due to unrealistic serve. A bad timed shot with power 95 will still have enough range and power to allow you to stay in the game.

In real life those tennis players who only use powerfull serve are by far not that dominant and successfull. Take for example Ivo Karlović who fits the 98/98 setting. He have still no slam win in his record.

....and one grandslam win from Goran Ivanišević or Roddick compare to Agassis 8 grand slam wins or Nadals 10 grand slam wins just proves my arguments about that setting. In WT Mode it is just completely the opposite.

[JohnCurveo]

"In real life those tennis players who only use powerfull serve are by far not that dominant and successfull. Take for example Ivo Karlović who fits the 98/98 setting. He have still no slam win in his record.

....and one grandslam win from Goran Ivanišević or Roddick compare to Agassis 8 grand slam wins or Nadals 10 grand slam wins just proves my arguments about that setting. In WT Mode it is just completely the opposite."

This isn't true. In life tennis, out of TOP 100, there are more serve&forehand game than any other. You cant compare Nadal to Agassi, there are from different eras.

You play PS3 or Xbox tour?

[Corbon]

Just look at the ranking list in WT and check the coaches of the chars and you will almost always find the same names. Quah, Gallo and Babb. There's a single deep S&V player (Kelly) I have found in the World Top 50 on the Women's tour, don't think it's much different on the Men's tour. Top players will almost always go for the best setup and not for the most fun setup. And where's the fun to serve wide and 1-2 shot your opponent?

As for serving wide, there's a simple solution and it could be implemented by 2K in a heartbeat; Just cut the distance between the t-line and the right or leftmost point the serving player can move in half, ignore the complaints from the cheesy **** and there you go. Of course this is unlikely to happen because TS4 support is abysmal.

The difference between a 98/98 or Gallo setup and a Welch setup is that the latter one requires much more skill. A good (not cheesy) Babb is prolly just as hard to beat as a good Welch but a mediocre Babb/Gallo can still be a pain in the ass, whereas a mediocre Welch is nothing to worry about.

[VillaJ100]

I wouldn't call 2k's support abysmal. The game is a year old now and has quite a lot of tweak and updates... if this was a EA game the servers would probably be turned off by now.

[jayb1988]

To make playing against these set ups less frustrating, would it make it fair to have a rule where if you miss a first serve then you have to play a slowed down second serve to make things more realistic.

I naturally play a slice second serve, purely because it seems unfair to my opponent to boom down another 130mph serve. It at least keeps things competitive and more true to a game of tennis.

Also, I am increasingly finding players in WT and even the odd one on ITST who always serve from the deuce side with a slow ball to the edge of the service box, making it extremely hard to return. Is this considered cheesy if someone is doing it ALL the time?

[edlglide]

To make playing against these set ups less frustrating, would it make it fair to have a rule where if you miss a first serve then you have to play a slowed down second serve to make things more realistic.

I naturally play a slice second serve, purely because it seems unfair to my opponent to boom down another 130mph serve. It at least keeps things competitive and more true to a game of tennis.

Also, I am increasingly finding players in WT and even the odd one on ITST who always serve from the deuce side with a slow ball to the edge of the service box, making it extremely hard to return. Is this considered cheesy if someone is doing it ALL the time?

I HATE this. A slow ball to the edge of the service box is an ace half the time for absolutely no reason -- if you hit the return button even half a second too early the game makes your player just stand there and not even take a swing at the ball. It's ridiculous.

And you can't really play for it if they don't do it every time, because if you are trying to wait for the slow ball you'll get aced with a normal serve because you won't hit the return button fast enough.

[LokiSharpShootr]

98/98 = no skill required, just ace,ace,ace and ace again.

Say whatever you want it wont change that and ive also learned that the 98/98 players are usually the ones that tramline serve or abuse wide slice serve the most like little kids desperate for winning.

[Corbon]

To make playing against these set ups less frustrating, would it make it fair to have a rule where if you miss a first serve then you have to play a slowed down second serve to make things more realistic.

I naturally play a slice second serve, purely because it seems unfair to my opponent to boom down another 130mph serve. It at least keeps things competitive and more true to a game of tennis.

Also, I am increasingly finding players in WT and even the odd one on ITST who always serve from the deuce side with a slow ball to the edge of the service box, making it extremely hard to return. Is this considered cheesy if someone is doing it ALL the time?

Maybe increase the likeliness to hit an error on your second risk serve, so you're kinda forced to use a top spin or slice serve in order to stay safe. I am sure this won't be a technical problem to implement.

Second slice is just you playing fair but fair play will get punished because kids are desperate to win in a meaningless competition. If you've ever played Gunbound with a bunch of Koreans...sorest losers ever, I swear.

Personally I like to mix up my serves a lot but I ALWAYS stay at the t-line. I use flat, top spin and slice in all directions to keep my opponent guessing. During laggy games I amost feel cheesy by serving a slice because one miss step from the returner means it's an ace.

Actually I rarely get aced by Babb/Gallo but I can't hit good/perfect returns against them - I usually slice them back - and even with 40 Speed they have all the time in the world to run to the other side and smack a cross court winner.

[Corbon]

I wouldn't call 2k's support abysmal. The game is a year old now and has quite a lot of tweak and updates... if this was a EA game the servers would probably be turned off by now.

There was one big update last June which I missed (speed, angle and coach nerf and many minor fixes). The last fix I remember was putting the cap on stats at 100 (which effectively only affected Serve by an unnoticable amount).

I'd love to get some DLC for instance. And there are still many tweaks which haven't been addressed yet.

[Agassi_Return]

The difference between a 98/98 or Gallo setup and a Welch setup is that the latter one requires much more skill. A good (not cheesy) Babb is prolly just as hard to beat as a good Welch but a mediocre Babb/Gallo can still be a pain in the ass, whereas a mediocre Welch is nothing to worry about.

well said!

To make playing against these set ups less frustrating, would it make it fair to have a rule where if you miss a first serve then you have to play a slowed down second serve to make things more realistic.

As i always mention TS4 need a second serve attribute! But this will only solve one minor problem about 98/98 setting. Things which should be done to balance that setting in all ways:

- Max. Power 90 and Serve 90.
- Decrease the forhand and backhand attributes -> Roddick
- Decrease the stamina -> Roddick
- 2k Sports should make the serve much harder, so you cant hit constantly the lines and get 100% on your first or second serve
- second serve attribute!
- fix the return stutter bug
- fix the outwide serving

Problem solved!