TS4 Cheese Statement (Fair Play at the ITST)

by **Sh0Case** » Sat, 15 Oct 2011 14:53

What happens when a player joins a lobby and leaves to return with a different player instantly?
I haven't seen a reference to this in the rules but I have experienced people saying it's not allowed?

by **djarvik** » Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:06

This is 100% unfair. It should and will be part of the rules.

I was kinda hoping it is common sense. What happens if your opponent doesnt like the matchup after the switch? ...he should switch too? ...and then you don't like? ...switch again? :lol:

by **C4iLL** » Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:32

I lost approximately all my afternoon to explain that to his friend fifa tee who played at shocase's home.

The guy connected with a character, told me he has to lunch, and then invited me just 1 minuter after with another setup off course (i've all the pictures :lol:

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He constantly argued that this wasn't a rule, that i was unfair to not let him choose another character (!!) and didn't want to play with the first character he choosed.

So, it would be nice if you can put that obvious rule in the main topic. Apparently some people don't understand that this isn't fair...

I've also another question : can somebody play with an other account than his true one ?

by **djarvik** » Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:48

Will do. Will update the rules.

For the record, we didn't need to have this as a written rule till today. :roll:

I am kinda disapointed someone is actually using this "lack of rule" and attepting to justify it. We had people do that before, but they never acknoldge the switch, they did understand it was unfair....just didn't want to acknoledge they actually switched.

For the moment being, consider this post as an immiadate addition to the rules. We will formulate it better and post officially.

To your second question: Playing with another account is not prohibited, as long as there is one player in the ranking for these two accounts. If this is a friends account, it is up to you to either agree or disagree. To put it simple, players must use their Xbox account for ITST matches. If they wish to use a different account, they should notify the opponent in advance.

I think this is also a good time to mention that is we find anoyone "sharing a controller" with a friend, we will ban both players indefinitely. If you suspect such instance, contact your host immidiatly, never through the forums.

by **Tamthewasp** » Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:52

On this note. My ps3 has suffered the YLOD. I may not be able to access my tamthewasp acc. Forgotten email address and password. If I cant access this account I will need to create a new 1.

by **Vieira151** » Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:54

FCUK!

by **Sh0Case** » Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:43

How is this unfair when some players are aware of other players setups and therefore go into a match knowing what player/s their opponent uses and have chosen their own player accordingly? Those players have an advantage over the players that don't know about their opponent so being able to change their player isn't a problem for me.
You can only have up to 4 players anyway so it wouldn't be an endless cycle.
What's the point in having numerous players if you can't select them when most suitable?

I've had to leave a lobby once because I had the wrong coach selected.
Sometimes a player hasn't got skills so you leave the lobby, you can't always calculate what skills/stats that player should have if fully developed so how would you know if they have the same player?
I've had people leave and don't mind it as I usually know which player suits me the most.

For the record:
- I understand why it's going to be a rule I just disagree.
- C4ill lost in straights without Fifa Tee changing his player.

by **Fifa Tee** » Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:07

C4iLL wrote:I lost approximately all my afternoon to explain that to his friend fifa tee who played at shocase's home.

The guy connected with a character, told me he has to lunch, and then invited me just 1 minuter after with another setup off course (i've all the pictures ).

He constantly argued that this wasn't a rule, that i was unfair to not let him choose another character (!!) and didn't want to play with the first character he choosed.

So, it would be nice if you can put that obvious rule in the main topic. Apparently some people don't understand that this isn't fair...

I've also another question : can somebody play with an other account than his true one ?

I have never seen this as a rule, and you lied to me about it being a rule as Djarvik just confirmed that it isn't but i WILL be. So in future please don't lie to me just because I am new to the site, regardless I beat you with the player that you forced me to use, so I have no issue. I was told that I need to scout my players before playing them by C4ill. Does that mean people are supposed to ask about the set-up of others before matches and make a counter player...? Sorry I am new to the site and just want to learn :oops:

by **Fifa Tee** » Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:10

C4iLL wrote:I lost approximately all my afternoon to explain that to his friend fifa tee who played at shocase's home.

The guy connected with a character, told me he has to lunch, and then invited me just 1 minuter after with another setup off course (i've all the pictures ).

He constantly argued that this wasn't a rule, that i was unfair to not let him choose another character (!!) and didn't want to play with the first character he choosed.

So, it would be nice if you can put that obvious rule in the main topic. Apparently some people don't understand that this isn't fair...

I've also another question : can somebody play with an other account than his true one ?

And secondly, you lost about 40minutes of your afternoon.. no need to exaggerate :wink:

by **C-A-G-O-R** » Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:14

in real life you can't change your "skills" as you want, and as far as i'm concerned, i think the whole idea of the ITST is to provide a realistic platform for tennis, so that's just logical. it shouldn't be about changing players, changing tactics is the key! with all the rules of the ITST i think the game is quite balanced, so there is always a tactic.

and about the coach selection, i guess one would see if your opponent only changes the player because she/he had the wrong coach or if she/he wants to use a completely different skill set.

by **Ary1g** » Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:52

I think that there should be a zero tolerance for executing a zps.
People should have the heart and sportsmanship to give away a zps if played in really important situations of the match.

Take a look at a scenario like this:

You have a match against a player that serves the ball very fast and consistently uses this types of serve during the entire match.
This player beats you in the first set, but in the second you both break each other to battle yourselves to a tiebreaker. The tiebreak is as well contested as the second set, but your opponent gets a match point on their serve. They are going to serve two points from this situation. He have already the first set in the bag. Then suddenly out of nowhere he sends a zps. During the entire match he have never served any zps, but in the match point he does. Then because your fingers automated to the very fast serves, release at a bad timing and gives such a weak return, that your opponent completely without any trouble can put it away for the match.

Now, isn't this cheesy as hell? When you have served the entire match without any zps, then suddenly it should happen in the match point!?

I think it's as cheesy as it gets.
Therefore I want to suggest that when people do a zps, either you can avoid serving at all by pressing you control stick/pads downwards(serve into the net), or give the point to your opponent.

Now, I'm not saying that you must give away the point in any situation. There's no point in not scoring 15-0 with a zps, where you waited for your opponent to get back into the point and then won it fair and square. However, I do think that if you are leading by one set, there should be no excuse to give the point away to you opponent. It's just so easy to send the serve into the net! The few times it goes over to your opponent, you give the point to him. I'm talking about pure sportsmanship here!

What do you think?

I'm tired of being played cheesy against in second sets, one set down. It has happened twice to me against high ranked players, which disgusts me...

by **Saarbrigga** » Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:32

it it just my impression, or is since the most recent update the outwide service much more effective (cheese) as before?

if someone has service 80+ and servs outwide all the time, there s not much you can do, especially from the deuce side.

by **Corbon** » Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:32

I don't know what this glitch return is but based on the description of what it does I have a feeling that the CPU is exploiting it against me.

by **L Sanchez MD** » Thu, 01 Dec 2011 02:33

I don't know exactly how bad the ZPS is.
Is it much worse than in real tennis when a player throws in the 'change up' serve, the really slow, 90 mph, first serve? Because lots of players do that. And it has the same effect as it does in Top Spin - gets a bad return because the opponent was expecting a fast power serve.

by **Pyrros-Dimas_85** » Wed, 04 Jan 2012 18:11

its allowed in a tournament a player with 100 of power and 91 of service?

TS4 Cheese Statement (Fair Play at the ITST)

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