ITST opens doors to SIM Tour (Rules included)

[emate007]

I didn´t want to "insult" anybody. Just want to suggest people to give a try to the players before criticize the roster. I´m "nobody" here, I don´t want credits or recognition. I just want to have fun in a SIM way, if you know what I mean...

Yeah, I think we're on the same page here. Maybe I misinterpreted your remarks, but it seemed like you were implying that people in this topic hadn't tried the options available. Which in my case was not true.

About your phrase "Neither has a volley skill, and neither are a serious challenge to deal with at net unless they've hit a fantastic shot to get there", you just described real tennis for me. How can we have more SIM than that?

Here I disagree entirely. There are plenty of players who seem harmless from the baseline and don't serve/volley but can punish any floater, or hit a nasty volley from midcourt.

[supinesmokey13]

Emate is right. Bishop is needed and will be introduced.

For now, personally, Fusman with Amazing First Volley is really good at net. 56 is decent. The key is not to do "suicide approaches" but pick your spots.

However an All-arounder that can be successful in "forcing" his way to the net is coming. Likely to have a good volley stat and Approach shot expert.

Exactly what I think. I know that this kind of "forcing to the net" player is coming and it´s necessary. But it seems to me sometimes that people wants to make the volley actually easier then it is nowadays.

im mean you wonder that without a good volley stats a character like fortis wont make a lot of volleys under pressure e,g this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SkkvO2Mawo

If you get perfect timing, yes.....and most of the SIM chars will not be able tohit a running FH like that. Besides, if we made a player like Fed, then he would be overpowered, no? We are not aiming for the regular ATP tour here, with only 3 players who are winning slams. We want all chars to have a shot. So stop comparing us to the ATP tour.

im not comparing the the two tours im just saying it's alot more difficult to hit that shot with a yellow volley and no volley skill.

and regardless of the approach i cant help but feel should someone not necessary hit a fh like tsonga's but dip the ball below the net you mill more than you will make

[RainingAmoeba79]

Emate is right. Bishop is needed and will be introduced.

For now, personally, Fusman with Amazing First Volley is really good at net. 56 is decent. The key is not to do "suicide approaches" but pick your spots.

However an All-arounder that can be successful in "forcing" his way to the net is coming. Likely to have a good volley stat and Approach shot expert.

Exactly what I think. I know that this kind of "forcing to the net" player is coming and it´s necessary. But it seems to me sometimes that people wants to make the volley actually easier then it is nowadays.

im mean you wonder that without a good volley stats a character like fortis wont make a lot of volleys under pressure e,g this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SkkvO2Mawo

If you get perfect timing, yes.....and most of the SIM chars will not be able tohit a running FH like that. Besides, if we made a player like Fed, then he would be overpowered, no? We are not aiming for the regular ATP tour here, with only 3 players who are winning slams. We want all chars to have a shot. So stop comparing us to the ATP tour.

im not comparing the the two tours im just saying it's alot more difficult to hit that shot with a yellow volley and no volley skill.

and regardless of the approach i cant help but feel should someone not necessary hit a fh like tsonga's but dip the ball below the net you mill more than you will make

That is not true No offense, but if you get good timing you can make it.

[supinesmokey13]

Emate is right. Bishop is needed and will be introduced.

For now, personally, Fusman with Amazing First Volley is really good at net. 56 is decent. The key is not to do "suicide approaches" but pick your spots.

However an All-arounder that can be successful in "forcing" his way to the net is coming. Likely to have a good volley stat and Approach shot expert.

Exactly what I think. I know that this kind of "forcing to the net" player is coming and it´s necessary. But it seems to me sometimes that people wants to make the volley actually easier then it is nowadays.

im mean you wonder that without a good volley stats a character like fortis wont make a lot of volleys under pressure e,g this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SkkvO2Mawo

If you get perfect timing, yes.....and most of the SIM chars will not be able tohit a running FH like that. Besides, if we made a player like Fed, then he would be overpowered, no? We are not aiming for the regular ATP tour here, with only 3 players who are winning slams. We want all chars to have a shot. So stop comparing us to the ATP tour.

im not comparing the the two tours im just saying it's alot more difficult to hit that shot with a yellow volley and no volley skill.

and regardless of the approach i cant help but feel should someone not necessary hit a fh like tsonga's but dip the ball below the net you mill more than you will make

That is not true No offense, but if you get good timing you can make it.

i dont doubt the shot can be made but how man times out of ten would you say it can be made

[supinesmokey13]

Emate is right. Bishop is needed and will be introduced.

For now, personally, Fusman with Amazing First Volley is really good at net. 56 is decent. The key is not to do "suicide approaches" but pick your spots.

However an All-arounder that can be successful in "forcing" his way to the net is coming. Likely to have a good volley stat and Approach shot expert.

Exactly what I think. I know that this kind of "forcing to the net" player is coming and it´s necessary. But it seems to me sometimes that people wants to make the volley actually easier then it is nowadays.

im mean you wonder that without a good volley stats a character like fortis wont make a lot of volleys under pressure e,g this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SkkvO2Mawo

If you get perfect timing, yes.....and most of the SIM chars will not be able tohit a running FH like that. Besides, if we made a player like Fed, then he would be overpowered, no? We are not aiming for the regular ATP tour here, with only 3 players who are winning slams. We want all chars to have a shot. So stop comparing us to the ATP tour.

im not comparing the the two tours im just saying it's alot more difficult to hit that shot with a yellow volley and no volley skill.

and regardless of the approach i cant help but feel should someone not necessary hit a fh like tsonga's but dip the ball below the net you mill more than you will make

That is not true No offense, but if you get good timing you can make it.

how about theses setups lenka celkova10/010, adam biganovski 9/4/7, nicole echemendia 10/6/4

[PerfectAce]

I didn´t want to "insult" anybody. Just want to suggest people to give a try to the players before criticize the roster. I´m "nobody" here, I don´t want credits or recognition. I just want to have fun in a SIM way, if you know what I mean...

Yeah, I think we're on the same page here. Maybe I misinterpreted your remarks, but it seemed like you were implying that people in this topic hadn't tried the options available. Which in my case was not true.

About your phrase "Neither has a volley skill, and neither are a serious challenge to deal with at net unless they've hit a fantastic shot to get there", you just described real tennis for me. How can we have more SIM than that?

Here I disagree entirely. There are plenty of players who seem harmless from the baseline and don't serve/volley but can punish any floater, or hit a nasty volley from midcourt.

I agree with you in some parts. I just don´t think we need players with super skills in volley. IMO, when timed right, you can produce very good volleys with yellow stats. It´s not that easy, and will require lots os "human" skill, mainly when we are discussing about allrounders.

To be clear, when I talk about "super skills in volley", I´m talking about very high volley stat combined with a volley skill. You make a very hard shot, especially in modern tennis, become something very easy. It´s not SIM, IMO.

[LokiSharpShootr]

True, just played Dapery in a SIM match, the volleys i got perfect timing i won all points, the goods or too soons i lost them all.

[supinesmokey13]

True, just played Dapery in a SIM match, the volleys i got perfect timing i won all points, the goods or too soons i lost them all.

using what setup ?

[LokiSharpShootr]

Fortis.

[Julius Jackson]

well done. this should be fun

[PerfectAce]

Djarvik, about the rule "Players are to move all the way to the middle when serving beginning of each set", wouldn´t be better in the beginning of each game?

I´m afraid that, in a close match, every player will be able to serve from the tramline in the end of the set. And this will be completely legal. What do you think?

[emate007]

I agree, I haven't measured how much each player moves per point or game, but it seems like I have to readjust every 2 or 3 games to get back to where I want to be (very close to the middle). If a set goes super long, it could give someone hoping for a tramlime service option a distinct advantage.

[djarvik]

Djarvik, about the rule "Players are to move all the way to the middle when serving beginning of each set", wouldn´t be better in the beginning of each game?

I´m afraid that, in a close match, every player will be able to serve from the tramline in the end of the set. And this will be completely legal. What do you think?

According to what I experienced, unless it is an extremely close match with many deuce games, moving in the begging of the set all the way towards the middle will cause you to drift to about the same spot that you would have when starting the set.

"Every game" is a bit extreme and will open up a Pandora box. Players will be busy monitoring each other instead of playing. Will seek out a reason to complain.

Of course it is on each ones conciseness to move back if you find yourself drift wide too much. That is the idea of SIM, to try and stay away from these things.

[PerfectAce]

Djarvik, about the rule "Players are to move all the way to the middle when serving beginning of each set", wouldn´t be better in the beginning of each game?

I´m afraid that, in a close match, every player will be able to serve from the tramline in the end of the set. And this will be completely legal. What do you think?

According to what I experienced, unless it is an extremely close match with many deuce games, moving in the begging of the set all the way towards the middle will cause you to drift to about the same spot that you would have when starting the set.

"Every game" is a bit extreme and will open up a Pandora box. Players will be busy monitoring each other instead of playing. Will seek out a reason to complain.

Of course it is on each ones conciseness to move back if you find yourself drift wide too much. That is the idea of SIM, to try and stay away from these things.

Ok, let´s give a try.

[trulyinfemous]

Emate is right. Bishop is needed and will be introduced.

For now, personally, Fusman with Amazing First Volley is really good at net. 56 is decent. The key is not to do "suicide approaches" but pick your spots.

However an All-arounder that can be successful in "forcing" his way to the net is coming. Likely to have a good volley stat and Approach shot expert.

Exactly what I think. I know that this kind of "forcing to the net" player is coming and it´s necessary. But it seems to me sometimes that people wants to make the volley actually easier then it is nowadays.

im mean you wonder that without a good volley stats a character like fortis wont make a lot of volleys under pressure e,g this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SkkvO2Mawo

If you get perfect timing, yes.....and most of the SIM chars will not be able tohit a running FH like that. Besides, if we made a player like Fed, then he would be overpowered, no? We are not aiming for the regular ATP tour here, with only 3 players who are winning slams. We want all chars to have a shot. So stop comparing us to the ATP tour.

im not comparing the the two tours im just saying it's alot more difficult to hit that shot with a yellow volley and no volley skill.

and regardless of the approach i cant help but feel should someone not necessary hit a fh like tsonga's but dip the ball below the net you mill more than you will make

That is not true No offense, but if you get good timing you can make it.

i dont doubt the shot can be made but how man times out of ten would you say it can be made

Do you think thats a volley that can be made more than once every 10 attempts?
Roger Federer is a rare player to be able to make shots like that, let alone hit them consistently.

If you want to hit ridiculously amazing volleys and shots like this on a regular basis stick to the standard tour because you're missing what the Sim tour is all about.