Crushing Passing Shot/Instant Rocket

[RainingAmoeba79]

I firmly believe ypu should NOT be ablt to drop shot or lob return, thats just BS.

[VillaJ100]

The only strength we s&v players have is that we are just a few, so the opp probably won't expect to meet us and doesn't know the tactic to beat us.

i've been playing some s&v in world tour over the last few days and it's mostly been great fun (it almost feels like a different game), but this is spot on. i've played a few players with decent records/ranks who've just had absolutely no answer to it but if someone knows how to defeat it it's a different beast. Against WT randoms the first set is always so much easier than the second as they start figuring it out. Just played a TI/MD guy who has a lifetime record of 57/2 and it drove me mad. i took the first set comfortably 3-1, then in the second i held serve easily and pushed him to deuce in all of his games. then he suddenly decided that lob returning was the way to go and being a new serve volleyer i wasn't used to it and ended up losing the tiebreak and then the super tie break. Damn.

Also, in the first set, your serves and volleys are really crisp as stamina levels are high, but by the 2nd they decline, and if there is a 3rd your back is really against the wall. you have to be able to pull out play like this (5.08-5.30) serving like this (5.48-6.23) ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sua__p9k ... re=related

[jayl0ve]

Sampras...making Djokovic look like a sissy since forever.

You know Djoker would be calling for a fleet of ambulances if he ever puked on court

[RainingAmoeba79]

LOL yup. Federer and sampras are probably the two most tough tennis players ever. LOL roddick thinks this too:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPgWoOon8-w

[ray237]

I'm a good serve and volley player (just joined itst, but in wt i was 3rd) and lots of times a got passed when i touch the line with a volley and the opp with 90+ power just runs (with a **** low speed) and does a reach crossed powerful shot.
Or sometimes the opp abuses of his diesel hard hitter ability and makes an impossible lob just holding the button to make it a power shot.
Being a s&v player can be frustrating because you loose most of the points in stupid, cheesy and repetitive ways and we are the only style that absolutely need variety (instead of serve&closebygroundstroke 90 power players), otherwise you loose your serve.
There are lots of methods to counter a s&v players during they serving games. Even if you're loosing the point, you just need to hit a low and slow balln and the s&v opp won't close the point. When he's serving you just need to hit a control shot down the line to make him doing a reach volley and then close the point. If he reads your mind and covers that space, you just have to hit a powerful (if you have 70+ pow) or control cross shot and you'll do the same.
The only strength we s&v players have is that we are just a few, so the opp probably won't expect to meet us and doesn't know the tactic to beat us.
This need a fix. I'm sick of meeting the same stupid godly setups and see that your opp is playing at my level but he doesn't know what's tennis and/or how to play. Even a 5 years old child could win just serving and hitting powerful shots making the opp moving everywhere just waiting to close the point.
Hoping the patch will balance these things.
Some strokes are impossible and too powerful, and it's too easy to hit the lateral lines, even with 70- strokes.

I agree with most of what you say there. But it's a shame you explain how your (our) style can be beaten.

I'm honest

[ray237]

Forgot to say a thing. I hope a lot that in the next patch the speed will be more important than now, because it's another problem for we s&vers.
It doesn't scale correctly, and doesn't let us doing good approaches and when we serve we are forced to use a low volley because when we hit the first volley after serving we've just entered our service zone.

[djarvik]

NML FTW!

[dsavbeast012]

Well speed is irrelevant now TBH. Which is why so many are OB OD'ing and putting nothing into DB or SV, and feeling no drawbacks. The game is totally unbalanced now since speed doesn't matter. Hopefully 2k can fix it, and make these guys under 50 speed actually feel the effects and not have defense like Nadal/Djokovic.

And BTW it's quite hilarious that 2k feels we should provide video evidence of speed not mattering. Just go on WT rankings, look at the most popular coaches and the highest ranked players. Almost all max out power stats and minimize speed since the difference between 50 speed and 80+ speed is so hard to feel in most matches. (By most I mean all, lol).

I've regularly had matches where my under 50 speed builds still are able to run down everything and as long as I have good timing get it back into play. Agree w/ what someone said earlier, shots need to be more context based and rely less on timing as the sole factor for whether a shot will be UE or not.

[RainingAmoeba79]

The thing I dont like inIR/CPs is that there is no stradegy aginst it. If you are at the Baseline, you get PWNED by Ir, and at the net, you get burned by CPS. and of course, they have high stamina, but no speed, which does not matter, so it is impossible to beat them.

[ray237]

The thing I dont like inIR/CPs is that there is no stradegy aginst it. If you are at the Baseline, you get PWNED by Ir, and at the net, you get burned by CPS. and of course, they have high stamina, but no speed, which does not matter, so it is impossible to beat them.

And when they're stamina is low... they still hit rockets from the baseline...
And they do a sort of s&v to anticipate a deep shot and hit a rocket before the shot bounces.

[RainingAmoeba79]

I know!!! Once I tried exploiting their speed by hitting deep and short shots, got him at the service line with a short slice, hit a deep topspin control, thinking it will make him volley or hit a shot off his shoelaces.... and then he just hits a forehand RIGHT b4 it bounces for a clean winner. I was like WHAT THE!!!!!!

[Rob ITST]

Anyone tried using Shot Counter against IR?

[RainingAmoeba79]

yues, i tried shot counter, but most ppl are using power TS once they see that, so it does not work.

[oshiee]

not to be a buzz kill but itst is about making the game as realistic as possible and s/v is not realistic. 99.999999% of the pro tour are baseliners because s/v is not a feasible game plan in the modern game. Why should that not be reflected in the game itself? IMO s/v is too easy as it is. It is ridiculously unrealistic how many balls s/v can get to while at net. Sorry s/v fans but that style of play died 10 years ago and it died for a reason.

[RainingAmoeba79]

not to be a buzz kill but itst is about making the game as realistic as possible and s/v is not realistic. 99.999999% of the pro tour are baseliners because s/v is not a feasible game plan in the modern game. Why should that not be reflected in the game itself? IMO s/v is too easy as it is. It is ridiculously unrealistic how many balls s/v can get to while at net. Sorry s/v fans but that style of play died 10 years ago and it died for a reason.