Controlled shots more... sorry guys

[Painted Crystal]

I think I can ever really compete with the top 100 players of ITST, perhaps the first 150, until I will not know really use controlled shots.
I'm a good player in WT but I think I believe it.
I'm good because 95% of players in WT use power shots with poor angle and is too simple return

I'm only using contolled shots from those days to learn (and I often lose...) but I see that only a few times a perfect control shot goes deep into the corners as I would like

I ask you to avoid losing patience, and decide to use only the powerful shots and, therefore, remain a mediocre player like now, if the setup is very important as regards the shots controlled.
To get a good result with a controlled than you should be my FH and my BH (now I'm 74-74)?

Are there other parameters that affect the perfect result of the blow-controlled like my position on court (in the middle or in the corner)?
I felt that speed and reflexes have importance in this sense

I remain of the view that the problem is my inability....

[Chederer]

you need at least 75 on your wings to hit great control shots

[Painted Crystal]

you need at least 75 on your wings to hit great control shots

Shit... ive 74 74...
You sure?

[Chederer]

with 75 it helps a lot....anything less you have to back it up with maybe a couple more shots after a good control shot anything more you will see winners left and right with the control shots....but i am not the best at this game

[SlicerITST]

you need at least 75 on your wings to hit great control shots

Shit... ive 74 74...
You sure?

That 1 point on both wings wont make the difference.

[djarvik]

There is no threshold beyond of which control shots "switch" to be easier.

It acts as a scale. The more the better. But that doesn't mean 74 - bad, 75 - good.

Think of your stroke points as timing windows - the larger the number the larger the window, smaller number - smaller window. You can execute perfect control shots with ANY amount of stroke point.

Add to that a variable of sidestepping ladder in form of color. Every-time you reach a different color in stat (Yellow, Orange, Red) there is a ladder jump in in that scale.

Like so:

[Q-Spin]

Add to that a variable of sidestepping ladder in form of color. Every-time you reach a different color in stat (Yellow, Orange, Red) there is a ladder jump in in that scale.

How do you know? Is it a fact? Personal experience? I dont want to say the opposite, Im just inquisitive

[Painted Crystal]

There is no threshold beyond of which control shots "switch" to be easier.

It acts as a scale. The more the better. But that doesn't mean 74 - bad, 75 - good.

Think of your stroke points as timing windows - the larger the number the larger the window, smaller number - smaller window. You can execute perfect control shots with ANY amount of stroke point.

Add to that a variable of sidestepping ladder in form of color. Every-time you reach a different color in stat (Yellow, Orange, Red) there is a ladder jump in in that scale.

Like so:

Perfect answer Djarvik, thanks a lot
If I understand it the more I go into the red with FH and BH, the more likely that my shot is perfect, right?

[djarvik]

Yes. Correct.

@ Q-Spin - personal experience.

[VMoe86]

Yes. Correct.

@ Q-Spin - personal experience.

I've made the same experience and that's why I rather look for "colors" in my setups than numbers. I'm sure there is some minor scaling in every "color tier", but the step from yellow to orange or orange to red is more important (even if it is just one point) than say 10 points in one "color tier".

Your illustration pretty much sums up what I think. Can you ask the developers to release the exact scaling or just confirm our speculation?

If I understand it the more I go into the red with FH and BH, the more likely that my shot is perfect, right?

But there is more to excellent shots than just perfect timing with the button - it also depends on when you aim your shot, i.e. when you move the left stick in the desired shot direction.

[SBR Ironik]

But there is more to excellent shots than just perfect timing with the button - it also depends on when you aim your shot, i.e. when you move the left stick in the desired shot direction.

Interesting

Do you mean the longer you aim the better will be your shot or is it something else ?

[jayl0ve]

*ding ding ding* we have a winner (VMoe)

he means that it's best to get in a good position before you start aiming your shot...if you are in perfect position for the ball (good/perfect timing is just assumed here) you can pretty much aim your shot at the very last second.

At least I think that's pretty much what he's saying- cuz that's what I do, and I think I can pull some great shots out of my ass if I want to.

[VMoe86]

he means that it's best to get in a good position before you start aiming your shot...if you are in perfect position for the ball (good/perfect timing is just assumed here) you can pretty much aim your shot at the very last second.

At least I think that's pretty much what he's saying- cuz that's what I do, and I think I can pull some great shots out of my ass if I want to.

Yes, that what I was hinting at. I have been able to hit great shots this way. Pulling it off consistently and making the right shot selection is what the top players do. I'm not one those because I need to be better at putting away short and slow balls - so often I mistime them and my opponent is back in the rally although he was actually finished.

Practicing timing against the ball machine helps or playing against the CPU on expert. I wish the ball machine had more options, so that one could practice specific match situations (high top spin to back hand, drop shot to this side etc.). Maybe djarvik could ask 2K whether they can include this with a patch?

[VillaJ100]

Yeah there is also a context effect that comes into play. I was playing as sampras earlier and hit a backhand on the run that i would rank as one of the top 5 greatest shots ive ever hit in video tennis and i've no idea how i pulled it off. it was just a regulation perfectly timed control bakhand.

[KamikazeeJeeper]

There is no threshold beyond of which control shots "switch" to be easier.

It acts as a scale. The more the better. But that doesn't mean 74 - bad, 75 - good.

Think of your stroke points as timing windows - the larger the number the larger the window, smaller number - smaller window. You can execute perfect control shots with ANY amount of stroke point.

Add to that a variable of sidestepping ladder in form of color. Every-time you reach a different color in stat (Yellow, Orange, Red) there is a ladder jump in in that scale.

Like so:

I disagree with the concept of a variable timing window. To me the timing window seems the same whether my groundies are 55 or 90, though I do agree that you can hit great shots with any stroke stat.

The way I see it, each stroke has a modifier based on: Your position, your stroke stat, your power stat, your timing and the quality of your opponent's last shot (which is also determined by position, stroke/power, timing and quailty of the previous shot).

So if your opponent has a good stroke/power combo (say 81 groundies, 81 power) and you have a mediocre combo (say 66, 66) you can still hit ridiculous angles and flat shots that hit both lines, but only when your opponent hits a really bad shot (maybe a late timed reach swing). However, if you both time the ball perfectly and have good position on each shot, then your opponent's shots are gonna be precise while your angles will sit up and your 'deep' shots will land closer to the service line than the baseline. This is true for both power and control shots.