Drops everywhere.

[djarvik]

@Djarvik

You are right, Welsch is a great coach, I can play control shots for hours now, but it is pretty frustating when you have guys that throw everything at you, even the kitchen sink, and play 10 feet behind the baseline playing catch the ball. With a well done drop shot you move them out of their "comfort zone" once, then they go back 10 feet and do the same, so I do the drop shot again, then the same happens for 10 more times till the opponent realizes that he has to play closer to the baseline or he will suffer another drop shot point....... So that is what happens usually, they will get closer to the baseline, and then it is much easier for me to win with control or power shots rather than having a 60 plus rally every single time.

Tennis is a mind game and playing with your opponent mind is a very powerful weapon, and the drop shot is just that.

I played you more then a few times. I would not place you in a category of someone who overusing drop-shots. Maybe its the way I play, but you have not used that many against me at all.


BTW, if the guy is 10 feet behind the baseline, control cross court shot will make him look rather silly and cough up a soft ball. Of course as I mentioned, you need to have the timing to execute it, it is way harder to do it right then to pull a dropper

You can also finish points at net with Welsh. Especially so if your opponent is 10 feet behind the baseline.

Don't get me wrong, you should use drop shots with any player, maybe a few more with welsh. But a few in my mind is 2-3-4 a match. Not a game or a set. Once again, the skill is meant to make your droppers better, not for you to use them as the only weapon.

I am not trying to offend you or anybody else, but I think if you feel otherwise, a change of coach maybe best?

I understand why this coach is appealing. High strokes stamina and speed make him easy to use when it comes down to chasing balls and pushing them back. But if you feel using tons of drop shots is necessary to score points - then you are not tapping into the coach potential, you basically using him because you CAN put your racket on m ore balls then with other coaches.

Like I said, I will be glad to play you and suggest what may work for you better, if you interested of course!

[Tuurbine]

And one last thing, I do not make drop shots every single point or return serve with drop shots, or do drop volleys, I just use it when the other player INSIST in playing way behind the baseline.

@Djarvik I have played several matches with you and you know how I play, I am not a drop shot player unless the opponent sends me such an open invitation to drop shot him.

[djarvik]

And one last thing, I do not make drop shots every single point or return serve with drop shots, or do drop volleys, I just use it when the other player INSIST in playing way behind the baseline.

@Djarvik I have played several matches with you and you know how I play, I am not a drop shot player unless the opponent sends me such an open invitation to drop shot him.

100% correct. I will vouch for you anytime.

[Tuurbine]

@Djarvik

You are right, Welsch is a great coach, I can play control shots for hours now, but it is pretty frustating when you have guys that throw everything at you, even the kitchen sink, and play 10 feet behind the baseline playing catch the ball. With a well done drop shot you move them out of their "comfort zone" once, then they go back 10 feet and do the same, so I do the drop shot again, then the same happens for 10 more times till the opponent realizes that he has to play closer to the baseline or he will suffer another drop shot point....... So that is what happens usually, they will get closer to the baseline, and then it is much easier for me to win with control or power shots rather than having a 60 plus rally every single time.

Tennis is a mind game and playing with your opponent mind is a very powerful weapon, and the drop shot is just that.

I played you more then a few times. I would not place you in a category of someone who overusing drop-shots. Maybe its the way I play, but you have not used that many against me at all.


BTW, if the guy is 10 feet behind the baseline, control cross court shot will make him look rather silly and cough up a soft ball. Of course as I mentioned, you need to have the timing to execute it, it is way harder to do it right then to pull a dropper

You can also finish points at net with Welsh. Especially so if your opponent is 10 feet behind the baseline.

Don't get me wrong, you should use drop shots with any player, maybe a few more with welsh. But a few in my mind is 2-3-4 a match. Not a game or a set. Once again, the skill is meant to make your droppers better, not for you to use them as the only weapon.

I am not trying to offend you or anybody else, but I think if you feel otherwise, a change of coach maybe best?

I understand why this coach is appealing. High strokes stamina and speed make him easy to use when it comes down to chasing balls and pushing them back. But if you feel using tons of drop shots is necessary to score points - then you are not tapping into the coach potential, you basically using him because you CAN put your racket on m ore balls then with other coaches.

Like I said, I will be glad to play you and suggest what may work for you better, if you interested of course!

The main reason I play with Welsch is because of the control shots he has, I really like how I cna complicate another player shots with my shots, I can make most of the opponents have several unforced errors with deep control shots.

The drop shot for me is a welcomed addition to the coach, and to be honest the drop shot has a huge problem, and is that it can become addictive.... problem is controlling it. I can stay 2 sets without a single drop shot, but then opponent decides to play way behind the baseline....

And regarding the match, I am ON Maybe tonight? Really looking foward specially for your suggestions after it.

cheers

[MrMackNasty]

I never play people who just standd 10 feet behind the baseline. And if they do theres a lot more to do then to just drop shot everytime to make them come out of their comfort zone. Just mix in short angles, deep, down the line, cross court. You cant be successful in this game by standing 10ft behind the baseline all match. At least from the expieriences I have had with this game.

[SIeeepy]

Funny thing about Alex Bickham as a coach. I have always been a serve and volley player ever since I started playing TS4 (and thats not changing anytime soon lol). Anyways I used to play with a 10/10/0 Liseth Aguilar setup but found that my stamina and my ground strokes were too low and couldn't really make an impression on my opponents return game. So i used the Top Spin 4 Calculator to find coaches that still had the volley shots artist skill that gave me a bonus on my ground strokes. Enter Alex Bickham. With my setup I am 7/7/6 and I love my ground stroke stats and also being able to come to the net. I actually feel like I can win points at the net OR the baseline (preferably net lol ) and that i have a good chance of breaking my opponent. I think this all around setup is the best; IF you know how to use it. Could use some more power though Honestly it wouldn't make a difference to me if I had the drop shot artist skill or not. I hardly use it anyways Why would 2K even put those two stats together? Seems like an unrealistic combination to me.

[DarkTunde]

Enter Alex Bickham. With my setup I am 7/7/6 and I love my ground stroke stats and also being able to come to the net. I actually feel like I can win points at the net OR the baseline (preferably net lol ) and that i have a good chance of breaking my opponent. I think this all around setup is the best; IF you know how to use it. Could use some more power though Honestly it wouldn't make a difference to me if I had the drop shot artist skill or not. I hardly use it anyways :P Why would 2K even put those two stats together? Seems like an unrealistic combination to me.

The part in bold are my thoughts exactly, after a week with Bickham 7/6/7.

The lack of power is a pain. Even when I hit a good (& at times, angled) shot, I don't seem to really dent my opponent. I think Djarvik's point about Bickham requiring good timing is my Achilles heel at the moment. His low power means my poorly timing shots are sitting ducks.

I also don't use the drop shot skill! I often forget I even have it.

[RainingAmoeba79]

And one last thing, I do not make drop shots every single point or return serve with drop shots, or do drop volleys, I just use it when the other player INSIST in playing way behind the baseline.

@Djarvik I have played several matches with you and you know how I play, I am not a drop shot player unless the opponent sends me such an open invitation to drop shot him.

You returned serve with drop shots in our last match.

[supinesmokey13]

Liseth Agiular 9-6-5

I would place all points into FH making the setup as follows:
FH-83 BH-51 SER-72 VOL-68 POW-57 STA-67 SPE-71 REF-71

Skills: Volley Shot Artist & Slice Invasion

I would use Slice on BH 90% of the time. Only hitting over the ball into the open court. Should my opponent decide to exploit my BH, a 3rd slice and on will VERY sharp and I would not mind BH to BH exchange at all!

On my serve I would SV about 25% of the time, one every 4 or so, randomly. I would also "fake" SV 25% of the time. I would Serve and rush the net the other 25% and play baseline game the remaining 25%. Basically giving my opponent different looks and randomizing them.

I think 72 serve allows for a good placement if not power. If my opponent pushes returns deep, I would hit inside out FH. There is always enough time to do that if your opponent pushes deep top spin returns. 83FH combined with added bonus from Inside out button should yield a very good shot.

When SVing, I would try and use B button. Since I mostly SV as a surprise tactic, chances are I will catch my opponents return high in mid air, so slice volley will only give him more time to pass. Anytime I would SV I would look to put it away.

When fake SVing I would use Slice approach shot, short cross or deep down the line.

On returns games I would try and return to middle of the court a lot. Since I don't have a lot of speed to chance down the balls and counter shot, I would try to cut down the angle first. I would use a slice return if I feel the server is going to serve to my BH. I would mix in a few short top spins and deep top spins, just too keep the opponent honest.

If I get into the rally on returns games, I would look to finish the point fast. Either gamble on Inside Out Forehand, or get into a BH to BH exchange with me using slice. Any ball that is mid court and shorter then usual I would attack and go to the net.

This is a fun setup yo use, not easy to use, but I think it can be rather effective if you can keep your cool and execute. You to learn to live with the fact that you will be overpowered at times and out-ran at times. But you have to keep your head in the game and chip away points.

thanks for tips how about these setups
Ian Moore-wrong foot expert and approach shot expert 10/0/10
Elvir Christen- Slice invasion and approach shot expert 10/1/9

[Tuurbine]

And one last thing, I do not make drop shots every single point or return serve with drop shots, or do drop volleys, I just use it when the other player INSIST in playing way behind the baseline.

@Djarvik I have played several matches with you and you know how I play, I am not a drop shot player unless the opponent sends me such an open invitation to drop shot him.

You returned serve with drop shots in our last match.

LOL You cannot be serious!

[RainingAmoeba79]

LOL yes I am! YOu hit it OUT EVERY TIME< BUT THE DAMN CPU- wait are we doin McEnroe?

[Tuurbine]

Yes we are! lol you had me on a best of 5 friendly match which I had no idea it was a best of five till we were starting the 4th set and I was WTF!!!

THE QUESTION!!! ANSWER THE QUESTION......

[Tuurbine]

Plusssss you are a serve and volley player so bringing you to the net wasnt a very intelligent idea lol... it was more like plain suicide, I wanted it to end so badly and go to the restroom in peace

[RainingAmoeba79]

lol ya i was like WTF are you doin?
you could have just messaged me.

[Tuurbine]

Strength and Honor my friend lol couldnt retire!