Top Spin 4 - Player Balancing Updates

[jayl0ve]

Then you're not aiming deep enough and/or you're not in good enough position. Cuz I don't have that problem, at all.

[RainingAmoeba79]

Perfect fullpower shot and it barely gets past the service box. Maybe I'm just not understanding the new timing :b

Are you pushing the left stick up and to the side or just to the side?

[brazegoesmoo]

Usually up, up-left, or up-right.

[polakis]

Its funny that 90% of the good players in world tour have changed into s&v power serve style...

Gone with wind...

[VILARCANE]

Hi,

I normally don't comment on you guys highly technical discussions , but there is obviously something you did not fully realize with the updates.
I used to be a pretty proficient TS3 and TS4 WT player (b4 the update that is, and without MD/TI or other abuses), so give me some credit here...
What i believe you are missing out is the word "context" in the updates description.
Context does not only mean you will hit the ball right if you are well positioned, right timing, stamina, etc.

My theory, backed up with quite a few "test" online games with other TS veterans who completely agree with this, is that the AI actually does not only balance the players, but dynamically balances the flow of the game

Let me elaborate on this : on numerous occasions, when i was leading too much in a set, i started hitting too wide, too deep, too sluggish, straight at my opponents feet upon trying to land a cross-court winner, too far from the line upon trying to land down the line winners...
Do you see as normal (like i experienced) to botch 25 break points and 8 match points in a single game against an opponent you used to crush regularly at TS3 (like i experienced), even with perfect timing or placement !
How many times have you witnessed 6-0 6-0 matches since the update ?
Luck changes side, you see...

This is not the only thing, as some of you know, i was one of the best movers in TS3, in TS4 also, i enjoyed sliding on clay to counterattack, but after the updates, the movement has become much more scripted to allow the computer to steal some points from you (or the opposite of course).
This is particularly visible, as some of you stated, when the player gets blocked 1/2 sec. on screen before starting running again...also noticed when the game does make you circle around the ball a bit so you cannot reach the ball, let alone wrong-foot you to death paralysing you like a cripple where you should have least turned around to reach for the ball (reflex stat, my ass).

Another very funny thing is the serves that are "optically" IN but yet FAULT ! Come one 2KCzech !

Those may be subtle touches to you, but to us, it is blatant SCORE BALANCING, and flat out AI cheating.

Instead of resulting in more dynamic matches, it creates utter frustration because you simply cannot (always) get the shots you have in mind, whatever the timing, fatigue, and player stats.
When i read testimonies here about matches against the computer, nothing that suprises me because the same rules apply, what you (maybe) did not figure out is that it also against a human opponent, which is kinda freaking me out, not you ?

Utter nonsense if you ask me...but sadly true... so yes, there might be exploits as always, but i would gladly sign that petition you are mentioning (link please ). Try to ponder about my wall of thext and redownload the patch free demo to see what i mean...

[andershede]

Cant belive people in this forum actually like what happended to our game.

I used to love the rallies and the game.

But after the recent update, it has become so boring. Even if you get everything right, the shots are poor and the pace is way to low.

A few adjustements to the game would have been welcome, but this has changed everything and it is so much more boring

I can easily win my games but I find it very boring doing it. Often I just make a drop shot at the net and thats it.

I really hope 2K sport change something back otherwise I am quitting the game. A game I had enjoyed so much for months.

[Coolhand Texas]

Cant belive people in this forum actually like what happended to our game.

I used to love the rallies and the game.

But after the recent update, it has become so boring. Even if you get everything right, the shots are poor and the pace is way to low.

A few adjustements to the game would have been welcome, but this has changed everything and it is so much more boring

I can easily win my games but I find it very boring doing it. Often I just make a drop shot at the net and thats it.

I really hope 2K sport change something back otherwise I am quitting the game. A game I had enjoyed so much for months.

Never really liked comments like this. You dont know what other people like and dont like. Sorry that just annoyed me a bit.

Otherwise, i can see what you are saying about the pace is a bit slow. but i like the game just a bit better post update.

[sky9753]

I know the develpers review this forum for advice on updates but itst advice is not always the best. This last update on timing is bad i am hitting the ball out all the time and not just me friends that i play this game with. You cant carry on a rally (which was fun ). I know some of the itst like it when they go for realism and want the ball to go out but i am hitting the ball out so often it is not fun to play any more and thinking of switching to virtual tennis 4 this is not just me it is also alot of people i play with. The fun part of the game was the rallies which i cant have anymore due to i and my friends hit the ball out so often. I dont know why they weakened topspin invasion and monster defense. I have beaten these players numerous times. That is the point of this game. Every player has its strenghts and weakness power servers you counter with slice attakes til wrong foot opponent. I have beaten those players numerous times. You are going to weaken the player til it is not fun. serve and volley players you can lob or go down the line. In my opinion you had the perfect game before last update but know i am frustrated with hitting balls out all the time. Most of the pro player dont hit the ball out that often they usually wrong foot the other player. You better be careful that you dont turn what was a great game into a bad one.

[RainingAmoeba79]

I agree, ive totally quit playing career since the update, its useless and bad. However, i find that online is more entertaining. All these ppl saying the ball keeps going out..... well, not if u get good timing!! IDK bout u guys, but i onnly make errors if ii am on the run, to soon, or too late. But offline, i usually clear my cache cuz that was pretty fun.

[Rob ITST]

I think it's funny how one guy complains about rallies being too long, and the next complains about not being able to keep the ball in. I'm not talking about anyone specific, just a trend I'm noticing.

The game is really not that much different than before, it's just harder to hit really good shots. If your shots are too weak or they go out, then you aren't doing something right.

[sky9753]

I find it funny that i am a pretty good player and my friends are top 100 players find that the ball is going out way to much and we are hitting good timings.

[supinesmokey13]

I find it funny that i am a pretty good player and my friends are top 100 players find that the ball is going out way to much and we are hitting good timings.

the 40 stat speedsters need to go in next updates add more power on power shots and what else more errors enough about the peeps who dnt like the patch lets focus on giving 2K sports input for the next update .

[Hawkeye Miihawk]

I find it funny that i am a pretty good player and my friends are top 100 players find that the ball is going out way to much and we are hitting good timings.

I personally don't think there are enough errors. The ball is going in way too much. There are times when both players have no stamina left, but they can still keep the rally going for quite a while. Timing and stamina should play a bigger role. Imo too late/soon should rarely go in, and once your stamina is gone too late/soon should never go in, with good rarely going in.



Anyway another change I would like to see

-Returning from inside the baseline
People stand inside the baseline to return serve. They do this to cut off the outwide serve (flat/slice) specifically. Even when you serve a 125+mph flat right into them or down the line they either slice return it back, smack it down the line, or pull you crosscourt. This is done by characters with different return stats. I've face several serve and volleyers in world tour who step 5ft in to slice return, then charge to the net. Baseliners are also guilty of this as well. Please make returning from inside the baseline cause more errors and harder to do.

[djarvik]

I have noticed it too. Before the update, standing an inch too close inside the line and returning a body serve meant miss-hit. Now these are going in.

[Coolhand Texas]

I have noticed it too. Before the update, standing an inch too close inside the line and returning a body serve meant miss-hit. Now these are going in.

I really liked how they implemented that before the patch. you could return easy serves inside the baseline, but when a harder serve came it was way more difficult to even get it in the court. Its different now, I have seen some do it in WT, but it is still not that big of problem in my opinion