cheap return - bkristian

by **EZE 17SUSPENDED** » Sat, 04 Jun 2011 05:04

There is a return in the game that forces the server to be pushed way behind the baseline and essentially gives the returner the advantage in every point that it's done. I'm sure everyone has encountered this at one time or another.

Apparently bkristian does this on every single return of serve. I'm curious...is this fair in ITST? I thought we were promoting fair gameplay.

When I questioned him about it after the match, he decided that I was playing unfair by returning inside the baseline and slicing too much...what?! These are normal strategies in real tennis. Whereas what he was doing was an obvious exploitation of a fault in the game.

What is everyone's thoughts on this? I feel like I just got completely hosed in that match. If it's fair play, I'll be quiet, but this just doesn't seem like what ITST is supposed to be about.

Oh, and bkristian...I've been on this site since Top Spin 1...stop asking me if I'm a "newbie".

by **MrMackNasty** » Sat, 04 Jun 2011 05:08

I haven't encountered this yet. What is it? Topspin, slice, flat? Its probably a control shot return if its placed perfectly everytime.

by **bkristian** » Sat, 04 Jun 2011 05:12

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by **EZE 17SUSPENDED** » Sat, 04 Jun 2011 05:15

It's not just a control return. It goes near the middle of the court, but deep every time and forces your guy to be pushed back WAY behind the baseline.

I'm friends in real life with Hollaa Itz Mike and he was telling me how to do it one night, but also said that it was a huge glitch and we shouldn't really be doing it. So, I know it's a fault in the game.

by **EZE 17SUSPENDED** » Sat, 04 Jun 2011 05:17

Yeah...I never knew returning inside the baseline or slicing the ball would ever be considered cheap. I'm not denying doing that. Slicing is a defensive shot that helps you get back into points. I played tennis for years and years up to the collegiate level in real life. I'm pretty sure I know what's realistic and what isn't. What I was doing is real life tennis strategy. What you were doing was an exploit in the game. How can you not see the difference here?

by **bkristian** » Sat, 04 Jun 2011 05:33

by **Rob ITST** » Sat, 04 Jun 2011 06:26

Not taking side here, but the rule about returning from inside the baseline applied only to TS3. Whether or not it's cheesy in TS4 is another issue.

Personally, I don't find it cheesy, because you can serve hard flat serves into the body and draw an error every time. Then again, I've only encountered it when I was using a big server, so I don't know if it works against lower serve stats.

by **ACERBOMB** » Sat, 04 Jun 2011 06:34

Returning inside the baseline pisses me off in video games. It was a exploitation in TS3 for sure. Not sure if it works in TS4 or not.

by **ACERBOMB** » Sat, 04 Jun 2011 06:38

EZE 17 wrote:Yeah...I never knew returning inside the baseline or slicing the ball would ever be considered cheap. I'm not denying doing that. Slicing is a defensive shot that helps you get back into points. I played tennis for years and years up to the collegiate level in real life. I'm pretty sure I know what's realistic and what isn't. What I was doing is real life tennis strategy. What you were doing was an exploit in the game. How can you not see the difference here?

This is not real tennis, its a video game that has exploits and cheap tactics. Im not saying for sure your tactics are cheap but obviously it is up for debate.

I fail to see how what you were doing is any more or less an exploit than what the other player in the topic was doing.

Either way instead of trying to call people out on a board why don't you privately handle it with the other player and management??

by **Julius Jackson** » Sat, 04 Jun 2011 07:06

returns are downright broken. its easy to moonball every return to the baseline no matter the serve. basically serving was broken after the 1st update...now its nearly impossible to get an ace and every return is flawless. :roll:

by **EZE 17SUSPENDED** » Sat, 04 Jun 2011 07:14

ACERBOMB wrote:
EZE 17 wrote:Yeah...I never knew returning inside the baseline or slicing the ball would ever be considered cheap. I'm not denying doing that. Slicing is a defensive shot that helps you get back into points. I played tennis for years and years up to the collegiate level in real life. I'm pretty sure I know what's realistic and what isn't. What I was doing is real life tennis strategy. What you were doing was an exploit in the game. How can you not see the difference here?

This is not real tennis, its a video game that has exploits and cheap tactics. Im not saying for sure your tactics are cheap but obviously it is up for debate.

I fail to see how what you were doing is any more or less an exploit than what the other player in the topic was doing.

Either way instead of trying to call people out on a board why don't you privately handle it with the other player and management??

This isn't real tennis? Oh man...I had no idea. Thank you so much for pointing that out. Obviously this isn't real tennis. The point is, this site is trying to get as close to being accurate as possible (at least, that's what I thought the point of the site was). The fact that I was using realistic tennis strategy (i.e. slicing when necessary and taking returns early) and he was using a game exploit (hitting a return that forces my character to move back behind the baseline) is a BIG difference.

And the reason it was brought here is because we couldn't come to an agreement and I wanted an outside opinion on the subject. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what the forums are for?

by **Dynushi** » Sat, 04 Jun 2011 07:37

i am surely not the best player on tour but i get my couple of aces every match i play, sometimes more, sometimes less.(no mutant server)

moonball returning is quite annoying, yet i don't find it's cheesy...just a bit cheap and i dunno why top players use to be cheap so often, personally i think for a top player that has decent skill and talent it should be a shame to rely on cheapness, would be more honorful to play a nice game with variety...but yeah - winning is so hugely important here as we all do it as a profession and have to earn money to feed our kids :-)

Maybe try to s&v these returns or dropshot it every time or do the kewl so so overpowered slow serves :lol:

or even moving in to no mans land to dropshot volley

, thats so annoying too, maybe your opponent stop returning like this then.

by **SlicerITST** » Sat, 04 Jun 2011 09:23

I was waiting when this bug would get known public. Please avoid telling others how to use it. Eventually the entire world tour will be filled with guys using it constantly.

By the way, you can counter it. There is a split second you can step in and dominate the rally. Problem is you will be a few steps inside the baseline. If you miss the window your player will run back like crazy to return the ball.

As for you two. I suggest you contact the host and deal with it in private.

by **Avinash PatelBANNED** » Sat, 04 Jun 2011 09:38

Halo, slicers and eze are correct here. I playd one of my opponents rcntly who used this. It resets the game point and is a big glitch I think

. Makes serving no point nd all points are rallies. Also the auto position keeps happening which is cheesy.

But good news. I notice that players with less than 80 on backhand n forehand skill could not do this evrytme.

their returns fall shorter!

Maybe hosts cld put new rule?

by **jayl0ve** » Sat, 04 Jun 2011 09:46

I've experienced this a few times, it is quite annoying, especially because you can't really take the ball early even if you try, it kind of automatically forces your player back behind the baseline. Right?? Am I talking about the same thing? Just a really high moonball topspin return?

Oh well it's annoying as hell but what are you gonna do, ban topspin returns?? It's ok to hate things but there's nothing you can really do about it it's just a lame part of the game

cheap return - bkristian

cheap return - bkristian

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