Osama Bin Laden

by **jayl0ve** » Thu, 05 May 2011 00:08

They could release a picture and you skeptics would still just say it's Photoshopped or something. :wink:

There's no pleasing some people...perhaps we should have extradited him to the United States and given him a show trial in a kangaroo court, would that have given you guys the warm and fuzzies???

by **djarvik** » Thu, 05 May 2011 00:12

Who do you calling "you skeptics" brother? :evil:

Honestly, if they released ANY picture and did it right away - I would not question it at all.

by **jayl0ve** » Thu, 05 May 2011 00:17

Nobody in particular actually, just the growing group of skeptics.

I wish they'd release it too, but them not releasing the photo doesn't make me a nonbeliever I guess. What's the simpler explanation, that they actually went over there with a SEAL team and took out the guy in a planned strike, or that IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY, MAAAN, with incredibly far-reaching and esoteric implications, the likes of which are actually probably rather inconsequential to you conspiracy theorists, all that matter is that THEY'RE LYING TO US MAAANNNN, THEY'RE LYING...psshh gimee a break.

by **djarvik** » Thu, 05 May 2011 00:19

I guess it didn't work. It was a lame reference to tropic thunder. :oops:

I would generally agree with you, anyway.

But this is the first time, I got doubts. Just seems weird. Timing and all.

by **jayl0ve** » Thu, 05 May 2011 00:24

djarvik wrote::? I guess it didn't work. It was a lame reference to tropic thunder.

hahaha oh man sorry I missed that. I love that movie actually just haven't watched it in maybe a year.

I love that part where Ben Stiller's getting tore up by machine gun fire and Robert Downey Jr's all 'SURVIVE!!'

oh yay just found it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0h8nsmPMoI

by **Bowler2151** » Thu, 05 May 2011 00:28

whether killing him was justifed or not hes dead. He is dead and there is no conspiracy. There shouldnt have to be a picture to prove he was killed.

someone explain why the U.S Governement would just come out of know where and make up bin ladens death.

The fact he was in pakistan, I would think if the US made up his death it would of been in iraq or afghanistan.

by **Rob ITST** » Thu, 05 May 2011 01:24

I don't see how anyone can suggest that killing him was somehow unjust. The guy played a huge part in killing thousands of people, and would have killed thousands more if given the chance. I assume you think it was correct to hunt him down, so once you find him, what do you do? Do you really think they should have assumed he was unarmed? Who in their right mind would make that assumption? He could have been strapped with explosives, or even had the whole complex wired up to explode. If the guy did anything besides fall on the ground when he saw the soldiers, then they had little choice but to shoot him. Why should those soldiers lives be put at risk to save his?

I'm not glad he's dead, but the guy had 10 years to turn himself in if he wanted a trial.

And why should a photo be released? To prove it to people who don't believe it? Is that really worth releasing a graphic photo of a dead body? If the guy isn't dead, then I'm sure we'll all find that out eventually. If he were alive, he'd probably do everything he could to get a video out for the whole world to see.

by **Coolhand Texas** » Thu, 05 May 2011 01:46

Rob ITST wrote:I don't see how anyone can suggest that killing him was somehow unjust. The guy played a huge part in killing thousands of people, and would have killed thousands more if given the chance. I assume you think it was correct to hunt him down, so once you find him, what do you do? Do you really think they should have assumed he was unarmed? Who in their right mind would make that assumption? He could have been strapped with explosives, or even had the whole complex wired up to explode. If the guy did anything besides fall on the ground when he saw the soldiers, then they had little choice but to shoot him. Why should those soldiers lives be put at risk to save his?

I'm not glad he's dead, but the guy had 10 years to turn himself in if he wanted a trial.

And why should a photo be released? To prove it to people who don't believe it? Is that really worth releasing a graphic photo of a dead body? If the guy isn't dead, then I'm sure we'll all find that out eventually. If he were alive, he'd probably do everything he could to get a video out for the whole world to see.

Thank you Rob! :tu

by **DRII** » Thu, 05 May 2011 01:53

The point of releasing a photo would be to provide definitive proof of what has been pronounced, nothing more nothing less...

True closure and or justice (if these things are actually attainable in the first place) could never be delivered if questions persist about what actually occurred.

by **Chederer** » Thu, 05 May 2011 03:26

maybe i could have quoted a few people here....mainly tigerofintegrity...hey man showing a picture of bin ladens dead body would be 1000 times worse than sticking his head on a pole and showing it....because its the whole world who would be seeing it and it would be more or less a mockery to show this...there is a difference between personal and professional in my opinion. and hey beltic caldy i do agree i would like some credible statements as well...right now though, it is too early in the game for anyone to speak out...i dont necessarily here other countries particularly European countries speaking in positive reform about the killing of bin laden....maybe i have missed it, but i have yet to hear a high ranking european official approve of bin ladens death

by **beltic caldy** » Thu, 05 May 2011 04:19

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Mahatma Gandhi

Rob, you'll do well to convince me that a highly highly trained squad of special forces operatives (not regular soldiers) couldn't have taken Bin Laden alive if they had wanted to. With regards to him being 'rigged to blow', when was the last time you or anyone heard of a senior member, never mind the leader, of Al Qaeda or any other group blowing themselves up? That 'privilege' is reserved for foot soldiers.

There is both a lack of evidence and a lack of credible statements constituting evidence in this whole killing - I'm not suggesting conspiracy stuff here, just conventional normal due process - instead, what do we have? A big old Pakistani witch-hunt.

I'm not asking for the moon on a stick here, nor any barbaric parading of death-trophies, merely simple, believable evidence - that and some kind of understanding about how some people seem to believe that good can be achieved by evil means - so many people are so certain in their judgements - this is and was anything but the black and white picture a simplified, soundbite oriented emotive media would truly have us believe - I believe, once more, that he has probably been killed, but I utterly disagree with the stated reasons for it, and the subsequent lack of opportunity afforded anyone other than the US military to confirm these stated events.

The deaths caused by Bin Laden were horrible and unjust - the killing of Bin Laden himself was likewise unjust, unnecessary and will, in the bigger picture over the long term likely lead to more death than his continuing survival unincarcerated would have done - I just cannot understand it in the context of the stated reasons, but am fully aware that there are motives and agendas at play that I can only guess.

by **Coolhand Texas** » Thu, 05 May 2011 04:34

beltic caldy wrote:"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Mahatma Gandhi

Rob, you'll do well to convince me that a highly highly trained squad of special forces operatives (not regular soldiers) couldn't have taken Bin Laden alive if they had wanted to. With regards to him being 'rigged to blow', when was the last time you or anyone heard of a senior member, never mind the leader, of Al Qaeda or any other group blowing themselves up? That 'privilege' is reserved for foot soldiers.

There is both a lack of evidence and a lack of credible statements constituting evidence in this whole killing - I'm not suggesting conspiracy stuff here, just conventional normal due process - instead, what do we have? A big old Pakistani witch-hunt.

I'm not asking for the moon on a stick here, nor any barbaric parading of death-trophies, merely simple, believable evidence - that and some kind of understanding about how some people seem to believe that good can be achieved by evil means - so many people are so certain in their judgements - this is and was anything but the black and white picture a simplified, soundbite oriented emotive media would truly have us believe - I believe, once more, that he has probably been killed, but I utterly disagree with the stated reasons for it, and the subsequent lack of opportunity afforded anyone other than the US military to confirm these stated events.

The deaths caused by Bin Laden were horrible and unjust - the killing of Bin Laden himself was likewise unjust, unnecessary and will,[b] in the bigger picture over the long term likely lead to more death than his continuing survival unincarcerated would have done[/b] - I just cannot understand it in the context of the stated reasons, but am fully aware that there are motives and agendas at play that I can only guess.

I dont know if i could disagree with you any more than what you said there. But i guess we have our own opinions.

Also to your comment about capturing him alive, if someone points a gun at you (which he likely did), you dont think to yourself, oh im going to shoot him in the leg to make sure he survives, and I hope he doesnt hit him with his bullet. when you are in the situation like that, and you see a guy with a gun you shoot to make sure he doesnt shoot back.

Gahh, sorry but this just makes me **** pissed!!!!!

by **beltic caldy** » Thu, 05 May 2011 04:46

Re opinions, yes we do man : )

Oh and as regards someone coming at me with a gun, sure - but the reports I'm hearing are unequivocally saying that Bin Laden was unarmed.

by **jayl0ve** » Thu, 05 May 2011 04:49

Unless you've been in a situation like that SEAL team was in I don't know how we can even comment on 'what (I) would have done'....the pressure/anticipation of possibly being the one to take him out must have been absolutely immense.

by **djarvik** » Thu, 05 May 2011 05:07

beltic caldy wrote:There is both a lack of evidence and a lack of credible statements constituting evidence in this whole killing - I'm not suggesting conspiracy stuff here, just conventional normal due process - instead, what do we have?

This is pretty much my thoughts. The whole way it happened is just doesn't make sense to me. And lets not act like everything that is being told by military is truth and becomes a fact once pronounced. I have been in the military, it simply doesn't work this way. There are more secrets in military then probably anywhere else. Not conspiracy, just secrets.

I do believe Osama is dead. There is no way our administration would be able to explain themselves if he ever turns out alive. But there might be just a bit more to the story than military is releasing right now, it could be not very pretty, which could make some people very happy, and yet more people outraged. Don't know, just speculations.

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