Rule Test Tournament #1

[SlicerITST]

how on earth do you get your stats up to 95 in the first place?

Check out the coach calculator:

http://www.intertopspintour.net/forum/v ... hp?t=14169

It is possible to have certain stats over 95.

[jericoacoara]

Wow, now thats what i'm talking about!!! Science!! Thank you.

[Tuurbine]

OK, I will attempt to explain. Don't kill me.

Basically, Instant Rocket + Monster Defense is the counter for Top Spin Invasion + Monster Defense.

Granted it is not as strong, but it is a strong setup that offers excellent strokes, excellent speed, good power + Instant rocket + Monster Defense.

I have been using this setup against TSI/MD with excellent results. This particular setup has no glaring weaknesses and when Monster defense kicks in along with Instant Rocket - this setup is a mirror image of TSI/MD.

I use this setup a lot, I currency play with it on both tours.

I think the main issue is not the first skill, but rather Monster Defense skill combined with good strokes, power and speed.

BTW - I have yet to lose to a player who uses 100 power, 90 power or similar but is slow. Usually these players are slow and are very easy to pull of the court with a top spin. They should feel powerful and should overwhelm you if you try to trade the shots with them.

I found that a good strategy is to pull them off court with a top spin and follow to net for the finish. Against a TSI/MD setup, coming to net with low skill is a suicide, but against these guys - it is an easy put away. They have trouble creating angles, so if you know your "net positioning" - you almost guaranteed a good volley.

In any event. We deemed these two setups as the strongest (or easiest to use if you prefer) and the goal of this test is to see if there will be another one coach, dominating.

That is why I ask that when the tournament starts, please, do report your findings. This is the whole point of the test. If you think you wont be giving us feedback - then dont play. We must have feedback, otherwise it is all for nothing.


Thanks guys!

Crystal clear! Thanks for the explanation, its true, I use samala to counter tsi and md...

[SBR Ironik]

[...]Granted it is not as strong, but it is a strong setup that offers excellent strokes, excellent speed, good power + Instant rocket + Monster Defense.[...]

I agree with you except on one point : What about defensive setups?
Is 63 power a "good power" ?

By the way, I don't want to criticize, I'm just asking.

What sort of feedback do you want from us ?
I'm not a good player so I'm wondering if my feedback could be usefull for you, top spin masters

[SkengDaddyRich]

cant wait for this tourney to get under way

[djarvik]

[...]Granted it is not as strong, but it is a strong setup that offers excellent strokes, excellent speed, good power + Instant rocket + Monster Defense.[...]

I agree with you except on one point : What about defensive setups?
Is 63 power a "good power" ?

By the way, I don't want to criticize, I'm just asking.

What sort of feedback do you want from us ?
I'm not a good player so I'm wondering if my feedback could be usefull for you, top spin masters

I am not sure I understand about the "defensive setups"? 63 power is sorta medium, I would not say it is good, but decent.


Mainly, the feedback we are looking for is players used, coaches, skills. And overall impression of the match. Thanks for helping out!

[Tuurbine]

My opinion is (my opinion) that if we are going to experiment withouth those two coaches, I will take out of the formula anything that has to do with specially Pei Jing Quah (Top Spin Invasion and Monster Defense), that is, not allow any player to choose a coach (for this tournament only) that has TOP SPIN INVASION.

I say this because I agree with you with the Monster Defense thing, but I also feel that the TSI thing is way to powerful compared to the other skills offered by different coaches.

So by saying this my point will be to do this test tournament as you originally stated PLUS...... NO TOP SPIN INVASION coaches allowed.

Cheers

[djarvik]

I appreciate your feedback and opinion.

However, I disagree. I think TSI on it self is a great skill to have in the roster. It is a strong skill, but so is instant rocket, so are the 95 power players, so are the various slice players and so are the Semi-Volley Kings.

Give me a specific example of a player, that uses TSI in other configuration - and I will give you a perfect counter for him. Not a "maybe-close-match-counter" , but rather a player that I will say has equal odds of winning the match.

Try me!

[Tuurbine]

Well I will ask you , but not to try you! But to learn about it..

So what would be a good counter for top spin invasion? or slice invasion?

I am really glad about this tournament.. I used to play with a different configuration than TSI/MD... then had to change to it because I am a regular player, so I needed conditions to be as equal as possible with the other players. After that I changed to SAMALA, good old samala, lol, because I thought I was having more trouble with SAMALA guys than with TSI (this only when I had TSI/MD).

Anyways, I guess that we will learn a lot from this test tourney, its already a huge step not to allow two coaches and 95 plus stats.

[djarvik]

So what would be a good counter for top spin invasion? or slice invasion?

Sure thing! ...but, surely you understand that skill alone is useless without a proper stats behind it? So give me the full setup of the player. I'd be happy to post a few counters.

[SBR Ironik]

I am not sure I understand about the "defensive setups"? 63 power is sorta medium, I would not say it is good, but decent.

I meant "extremely defensive setup" like 19DB with weak power...
Anyway if you think that 63 is too much, I understand your point and can agree with you

Mainly, the feedback we are looking for is players used, coaches, skills. And overall impression of the match. Thanks for helping out!

My pleasure. I really like your community and I'm willing to help you as I can

[tigerofintegrity]

I appreciate your feedback and opinion.

However, I disagree. I think TSI on it self is a great skill to have in the roster. It is a strong skill, but so is instant rocket, so are the 95 power players, so are the various slice players and so are the Semi-Volley Kings.

Give me a specific example of a player, that uses TSI in other configuration - and I will give you a perfect counter for him. Not a "maybe-close-match-counter" , but rather a player that I will say has equal odds of winning the match.

Try me!

This is definitely true. TI by itself is a fine skill but not overpowering. It's in a few other coaches too but I wouldn't even put many of them at the top of my coach list. I mean, coach skills can help a lot, but the actual stats are just as important. Now that TI/MD and Samala are out of the question, some of the other slightly weaker but interesting coaches are making their way to the top of my list and I can't really pick out one outstanding one over the others. Even if we only see these ones crop up now, at least 5 or 6 builds are better than just two all the time!

[ItaStallion]

lets hope we can make a fun sim tour for everyone.

[SkengDaddyRich]

Does any one else feel 95 is still too high? or would be the cap be lowered for SIM?

[supinesmokey13]

Does any one else feel 95 is still too high? or would be the cap be lowered for SIM?

I DO BUT THEY ARE USING THAT STAT TO ALLOW FOR LARGE VARIETY OF COACHES sorry for writing in caps lol