the right to bear arms.......

[Coolhand Texas]

But you are making citizens less available to defend themselves. Criminals will get a gun if they want to. Most of them get their guns illegally anyways so all that is really happening is hurting the defense of citizens

[Coolhand Texas]

can people with a criminal reord get a gun? or mental problems? Obviously i mean a record for say DUI and not armed robbery lol.

Not legally.

[coke4]

But you are making citizens less available to defend themselves. Criminals will get a gun if they want to. Most of them get their guns illegally anyways so all that is really happening is hurting the defense of citizens

What good is a gun anyway? Our criminals here have guns, our civilians don't, we are safe. If a gang come into your house with a gun what good are you and that gun. Chances are that when it would come down to it you still wouldn't be able to shoot it, to actually kill someone, while they would have no hesitation as they see you as a threat.

[Coolhand Texas]

But you are making citizens less available to defend themselves. Criminals will get a gun if they want to. Most of them get their guns illegally anyways so all that is really happening is hurting the defense of citizens

What good is a gun anyway? Our criminals here have guns, our civilians don't, we are safe. If a gang come into your house with a gun what good are you and that gun. Chances are that when it would come down to it you still wouldn't be able to shoot it, to actually kill someone, while they would have no hesitation as they see you as a threat.

Are you serious? If a guy breaks into my house and I'm home, you better believe I'll get my gun and of course I would shoot. What would else would i do say, "sir would you pretty please drop your gun?"

The idea of criminals having guns while other citizens dont is an absurd idea to me

[coke4]

But you are making citizens less available to defend themselves. Criminals will get a gun if they want to. Most of them get their guns illegally anyways so all that is really happening is hurting the defense of citizens

What good is a gun anyway? Our criminals here have guns, our civilians don't, we are safe. If a gang come into your house with a gun what good are you and that gun. Chances are that when it would come down to it you still wouldn't be able to shoot it, to actually kill someone, while they would have no hesitation as they see you as a threat.

Are you serious? If a guy breaks into my house and I'm home, you better believe I'll get my gun and of course I would shoot. What would else would i do say, "sir would you pretty please drop your gun?"

The idea of criminals having guns while other citizens dont is an absurd idea to me

Wow, but could you really? Could you really kill someone that easily, if you can I cant see much that separates you two to be honest? What if there is 3 or 4 of them and you shoot them and the others then shoot you? Wouldn't it be better to just stay in bed and stay safe? What if they are unarmed and never going to hurt anyone and you kill someone for purely stealing, is that right? What if its someone really poor who is trying to steal to support his kid and you just shoot and kill him, a man who is just trying to feed his kid, dead, leaving his kid defenceless to the world?

[Moralspain]

But you are making citizens less available to defend themselves. Criminals will get a gun if they want to. Most of them get their guns illegally anyways so all that is really happening is hurting the defense of citizens

What good is a gun anyway? Our criminals here have guns, our civilians don't, we are safe. If a gang come into your house with a gun what good are you and that gun. Chances are that when it would come down to it you still wouldn't be able to shoot it, to actually kill someone, while they would have no hesitation as they see you as a threat.

Are you serious? If a guy breaks into my house and I'm home, you better believe I'll get my gun and of course I would shoot. What would else would i do say, "sir would you pretty please drop your gun?"

The idea of criminals having guns while other citizens dont is an absurd idea to me

so all Europe is absurd
btw i'd like to have a gun (i guess) in that situation you described above because now "sir would you pretty please drop your gun?" is what i would have to say , that said not even a burglar has guns here (it's really difficult to get one), only terrorists have

[Coolhand Texas]

But you are making citizens less available to defend themselves. Criminals will get a gun if they want to. Most of them get their guns illegally anyways so all that is really happening is hurting the defense of citizens

What good is a gun anyway? Our criminals here have guns, our civilians don't, we are safe. If a gang come into your house with a gun what good are you and that gun. Chances are that when it would come down to it you still wouldn't be able to shoot it, to actually kill someone, while they would have no hesitation as they see you as a threat.

Are you serious? If a guy breaks into my house and I'm home, you better believe I'll get my gun and of course I would shoot. What would else would i do say, "sir would you pretty please drop your gun?"

The idea of criminals having guns while other citizens dont is an absurd idea to me

Wow, but could you really? Could you really kill someone that easily, if you can I cant see much that separates you two to be honest? What if there is 3 or 4 of them and you shoot them and the others then shoot you? Wouldn't it be better to just stay in bed and stay safe? What if they are unarmed and never going to hurt anyone and you kill someone for purely stealing, is that right? What if its someone really poor who is trying to steal to support his kid and you just shoot and kill him, a man who is just trying to feed his kid, dead, leaving his kid defenceless to the world?

@xavi not all of Europe is absurd and it's a lot more common for criminals to have guns over here

@coke I would still rather have a gun verse 4 people then I dont have a gun and 4 people do. I could at least scare them and let then know I have a gun, or I could delay them and let the cops get there.

I'm sorry but the idea of staying in my bed without a gun while people are in my house just not right to me. It's like ok guys go ahead and steal my stuff or take my kid I wont try and stop you.

If they break into my house and they don't leave when I tell them I have a gun, then yes i would shoot. Im not going to let someone steal stuff to support somebody. In fact if somebody like that would ask me for help, I would probably help them. But stealing is not the right way to go about it

I agree with djarvik, im all for more strict checking on who can buy guns but I think citizens should have them to defend themselves

[Moralspain]

But you are making citizens less available to defend themselves. Criminals will get a gun if they want to. Most of them get their guns illegally anyways so all that is really happening is hurting the defense of citizens

What good is a gun anyway? Our criminals here have guns, our civilians don't, we are safe. If a gang come into your house with a gun what good are you and that gun. Chances are that when it would come down to it you still wouldn't be able to shoot it, to actually kill someone, while they would have no hesitation as they see you as a threat.

Are you serious? If a guy breaks into my house and I'm home, you better believe I'll get my gun and of course I would shoot. What would else would i do say, "sir would you pretty please drop your gun?"

The idea of criminals having guns while other citizens dont is an absurd idea to me

Wow, but could you really? Could you really kill someone that easily, if you can I cant see much that separates you two to be honest? What if there is 3 or 4 of them and you shoot them and the others then shoot you? Wouldn't it be better to just stay in bed and stay safe? What if they are unarmed and never going to hurt anyone and you kill someone for purely stealing, is that right? What if its someone really poor who is trying to steal to support his kid and you just shoot and kill him, a man who is just trying to feed his kid, dead, leaving his kid defenceless to the world?

@xavi not all of Europe is absurd

@coke I would still rather have a gun verse 4 people then I dont have a gun and 4 people do. I could at least scare them and let then know I have a gun, or I could delay them and let the cops get there.

I'm sorry but the idea of staying in my bed without a gun while people are in my house just not right to me. It's like ok guys go ahead and steal my stuff or take my kid I wont try and stop you.

If they break into my house and they don't leave when I tell them I have a gun, then yes i would shoot. Im not going to let someone steal stuff to support somebody. In fact if somebody like that would ask me for help, I would probably help them. But stealing is not the right way to go about it

about the house thing i agree with you, because in Spain if someone breaks into your house you have to leave him take whatever he wants, if you kill the guy throwing him a shoe for example ( no guns ) you're going straight to jail, notice that not even the police can hurt anyone, they have to arrest criminals without hurting them, otherwise criminals will report the policeman, nonsense i know

[Coolhand Texas]

Wow that is a bit crazy man. So what do you do if you find someone breaking into your house?

[Moralspain]

Wow that is a bit crazy man. So what do you do if you find someone breaking into your house?

it's happened twice but we were sleeping so we didn't notice anything, i don't know what i would do honestly, but as i said most of the times the burglars are not super professionals ( no weapons) so i guess they will run away quickly if we see them, i guess, another option is to keep quiet and hide until they get all they want and then call the police to report what happened

[Cro Morgan]

Personal safety has nothing to do with guns. More so, the mind frame of the people.

Europe is safer not because they have less access to guns. Europe is a safer place to live because the people who live there don't think like American's.

[Moralspain]

Personal safety has nothing to do with guns. More so, the mind frame of the people.

Europe is safer not because they have less access to guns. Europe is a safer place to live because the people who live there don't think like American's.

IMO that's a stereotype, not all the americans are serial killers and not all the europeans are kind and peaceful, have you seen our soccer fans? here people kill because soccer matches man:lol:

[coke4]

@xavi not all of Europe is absurd and it's a lot more common for criminals to have guns over here

@coke I would still rather have a gun verse 4 people then I dont have a gun and 4 people do. I could at least scare them and let then know I have a gun, or I could delay them and let the cops get there.

I'm sorry but the idea of staying in my bed without a gun while people are in my house just not right to me. It's like ok guys go ahead and steal my stuff or take my kid I wont try and stop you.

If they break into my house and they don't leave when I tell them I have a gun, then yes i would shoot. Im not going to let someone steal stuff to support somebody. In fact if somebody like that would ask me for help, I would probably help them. But stealing is not the right way to go about it

I agree with djarvik, im all for more strict checking on who can buy guns but I think citizens should have them to defend themselves

Do you seriously put your possession above human life. Ask your self, what is the greater crime, murder or theft, murder, why does a thief deserve to die. You have to remember most common criminals are not bad people, they are people who have fallen in with the wrong people and have not had great chances in life, and killing this person is wrong, human life should be held above all things in my opinion, so killing someone who is stealing something is just unthinkable to me.
And again with the gang, someone is highly unlikely to kill unless they feel threatened, by wielding a weapon you are threatening them and they will very likely kill/seriously hurt them, while if you are no threat they will be extremely unlikely to hurt you.

[Coolhand Texas]

I would tell the intruder to leave or I'll shoot. He doesn't leave, I shoot. (you described a person stealing for his family, Im pretty sure they would leave after I said that, it's the more serious criminals who don't leave). I don't value possessions over life, what if someone comes into your house to do you harm, to do your kids harm? I sure as hell will protect my family. I will not stand by in my bed and wait and hope they grow a conscious in the next 5 minutes.

There is no point in arguing. You have your opinion, I have mine.

[beltic caldy]

I would tell the intruder to leave or I'll shoot. He doesn't leave, I shoot. (you described a person stealing for his family, Im pretty sure they would leave after I said that, it's the more serious criminals who don't leave). I don't value possessions over life, what if someone comes into your house to do you harm, to do your kids harm? I sure as hell will protect my family. I will not stand by in my bed and wait and hope they grow a conscious in the next 5 minutes.

There is no point in arguing. You have your opinion, I have mine.

Can I ask, do you own a gun, or maybe more than one Coolhand? I have a notion that in the scenario being hypothesised, in the majority of those cases the gun is not at hand and therefore useless or is taken from the 'defender' and used against them. This is just a thought tho.

To everyone watching the thread - how many of you have had domestic break-in's or threats to your safety while at home?