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Postby Samael » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 00:55

Lately, i ve tried to understand women. The more i tried, the less successful i ve been. It's just like a damn maze inside them... What i did get though is that they tend to actually "learn" to love more than men. They get attached to us more than we can get to them. They get used to us and stay with us, even if after a while they don't love us anymore.
On the oppossite side, from my experience, men fall in love quickly after meeting a girl(sexual attraction or love at first sight- the second more and more rare). Since this subject wasn't discussed in here, i got two questions: is it worth it to wait for a girl if you ve fallen in love like a madman for her(considering she gives you a sign to wait) and how far would you go in order to be with a girl you feel you ve fallen in love to? Is it worth it trusting a woman? Please, jayl0ve or any other joker- i need no funny answer for these... :(
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Postby jayl0ve » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 01:45

What do you mean 'wait' for her??

Are you waiting for her to leave her bf/husband??

Waiting for her to get back from another country/place?

Either way, don't sit and wait for her, she'll only begin to subconsciously resent you for being a p*ssy. Give her an ultimatum, if she doesn't like it and doesn't want to be with you...then tough sh*t for her.

Reject her first and she'll probably fall head over heels in love with you, women love being crapped on

Other than that, I don't know what to say since you're being incredibly vague.
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Postby coke4 » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 03:01

jayl0ve wrote:What do you mean 'wait' for her??


I presume he means wait to see if she likes him?
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Postby beltic caldy » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 04:35

KOELLERER wrote:Lately, i ve tried to understand women. The more i tried, the less successful i ve been. It's just like a damn maze inside them... What i did get though is that they tend to actually "learn" to love more than men. They get attached to us more than we can get to them. They get used to us and stay with us, even if after a while they don't love us anymore.
On the oppossite side, from my experience, men fall in love quickly after meeting a girl(sexual attraction or love at first sight- the second more and more rare). Since this subject wasn't discussed in here, i got two questions: is it worth it to wait for a girl if you ve fallen in love like a madman for her(considering she gives you a sign to wait) and how far would you go in order to be with a girl you feel you ve fallen in love to? Is it worth it trusting a woman? Please, jayl0ve or any other joker- i need no funny answer for these... :(


i've been married for 10 years now bro, so not sure how current I am - was a 'busy' chappie before I met my wife though. In my 'rambling' years, I had quite a few short-term relationships, and a small number of more serious ones - I don't know if I learned much, but it did always seem to be the case that with the serious relationships, I fell quickly and totally 'in love' - they all failed for various reasons - two common factors - me, and the fact that they failed...oh, and the relationships developed and moved too far too fast.

My wife on the other hand - we met and were friends for several weeks - got to know each other and all that lot - then the romance developed, then we married - been bumps and all that, but we're happy together and are lucky to have a very real, very adult relationship.

I think that both relationship-types (the quick and fast-burn, and the slower, long-burn) are actually equally prone to failure or success (equal probability if you will), but it's been my experience that because the things that initially are attractive in the relationship change over time, the quick/fast-burn ones fail more than the slow-burn ones, simply because the accelerated 'rate'/nature of the relationship doesn't allow time for the couple to accomodate those changing factors.

you clearly recognise that men and women, while wanting the same fundamental things from a coupling, have slightly different emphasis on the priority of these things - this is cool and nothing to be concerned about, once you're aware of it, so you're ahead of the game there man.

I don't know man - it's difficult to generalise - every relationship is subtly different - its not about perfection, just about what's as good as can be for the two people involved.

To give you my answer - yes, taking into account the considerable ego-risk and everything else, it is definitely worth trusting a woman - wholly and completely - you can do nothing else - if it doesn't work out, at least, and despite the cost, you can't say you didn't give it a hundred percent. On the other hand, many relationships are destroyed or severely handicapped when one or both people fail to trust sufficiently in the first place.

Also - the paradigm you describe, where women 'learn to love', whereas men fall quickly and hard? I've seen and experienced both - I don't think either are exclusive or even skewed in favour of either gender - may well be off with that, but that's my take.

sounds like you've picked up some scars/bruises bro - sorry to hear if that's the case. take some advice from an old soldier though - brush yourself off, write a few pages in a journal about the experience (get it out of your head basically), and move on - easily said I know : )

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Re: Women

Postby KINAMINAJ » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:08

KOELLERER wrote:Lately, i ve tried to understand women. The more i tried, the less successful i ve been. It's just like a damn maze inside them... What i did get though is that they tend to actually "learn" to love more than men. They get attached to us more than we can get to them. They get used to us and stay with us, even if after a while they don't love us anymore.
On the oppossite side, from my experience, men fall in love quickly after meeting a girl(sexual attraction or love at first sight- the second more and more rare). Since this subject wasn't discussed in here, i got two questions: is it worth it to wait for a girl if you ve fallen in love like a madman for her(considering she gives you a sign to wait) and how far would you go in order to be with a girl you feel you ve fallen in love to? Is it worth it trusting a woman? Please, jayl0ve or any other joker- i need no funny answer for these... :(



If you love someone they are always worth the wait. I would assume if you didn't wait that means: you do not or did not really care at all :) love does crazy things to a person. Look at how you describe how she makes you feel. She brings the madman out of you....... you have to trust someone other than yourself at some point so why not trust someone like her.

@ Jay that is so true we do tend to like the guy more when he pushes us away. However, are you forgetting about that stage when they then realize what a mistake they made and we have just moved on an no longer care. :)
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Postby Samael » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:55

jayl0ve wrote:What do you mean 'wait' for her??

Are you waiting for her to leave her bf/husband??

Waiting for her to get back from another country/place?

Either way, don't sit and wait for her, she'll only begin to subconsciously resent you for being a p*ssy. Give her an ultimatum, if she doesn't like it and doesn't want to be with you...then tough sh*t for her.

Reject her first and she'll probably fall head over heels in love with you, women love being crapped on

Other than that, I don't know what to say since you're being incredibly vague.






"Wait for her"= wait for her to dump out her current bf(with whom she has been dating for 1 and a half years). If she promises me she will do that, but she needs some time in order to do that, shall i listen to her? Jay, i ve had another person telling me to give her an ultimatum. I'm too pussy to do this...
So far, until 22, i had one very serious relation and a lot of sex based-relations. This time, i feel for this girl what i ve never felt for any other girl. Can't supress these feelings. Not my type. Even though she's with somebody else, i couldn't stop myself from telling her how much i love her. Guess what? Apparently it worked. Now, what do i do? Wait? Im mad, mad, mad about her. Let her go? I don't want this feeling of mine to end. It's mine! When i look into her eys, my heart stops beating. FCS!!! Every day i don't see her is like a day in Hell.
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Postby GOA MASTER MDMA » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 13:20

LET HER GO!!

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in your case................i mean it serious,

speak with her and ask for a decision (YES or NO ).
when she say ;"yes", than all is fine !!
when she say ,""no she needs time BLABLA BLA; BLA BLA BLABLA,"" than let her go and live your life forward !!

mean when she really loves you too,than she come from allone -everything else make no sense and is simple too painfull for yourself,and overall useless.
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Postby synesthesia70 » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 13:50

What's that old saying? If you let her go and if she truly loves you she'll come back. Or something like that.

I agree with jaylove that if you continue on this path of waiting then she will eventually subconsciously resent you for it. I dont know about you but if i knew someone I love was touching another guy - well safe to say it would hurt too much. I wouldn't be able to take it.

Move on, I say. Having self-respect and going on with your life is key. Though you will probably bottle up feelings for "her" deep inside your heart you can still try to move on. And if in this time of transition she decides you're the guy for her then so be it.

You can still wait. just do it quietly without anyone knowing (especially her) until you're ready to let go.
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Postby Samael » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:40

Can't let her go so easily... I mean, what i m feeling for her is sooo deep, i am afraid i will loose it... I am pretty sure she doesn't love me, but she only cares about me like she would for a close friend, but it's complicated... I think she's deeply moved by my feelings towards her, but she's still partly undecided... She could have told me to forget her, but she didn't do that... She doesn't love his current bf, that i know for sure. She's with him out of habit, liek many women do nowadays. When i close my eyes, i can only see her. When i m awake, i can only hear her. This is insane. It's the second time i ve felt like this is my life and, taking into account my first similar experience, i will not let it fade away. Not without a fight. Everything is allowed at war and in love, right?
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Postby jayl0ve » Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:02

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Postby Samael » Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:28

Why? I have never ever done that. I have always told everyone what i feel about them, even if it was a bad thing. Anyway, i ll see how this one goes. At least i ve done what i could to make it work for me. Can't live with regrets.
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Postby Chederer » Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:31

she has put you in the "friend zone" do not stand quiet. the squeaky wheel always has a better chance of winning the contest. you have to be confident. the question you have to ask yourself is do you want to be friends or do you want to put the pile drive on her. also you have to think about her current boyfriend...he may really like her and you should respect him as well....i would say let her go until she has ended her current relationship because most likely what would happen is she would break up with him get with you then go right back to her comfort zone of her former boyfriend
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Postby Samael » Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:14

I don't really care abouther current bf. By what i ve heard from her(and not only), she's used to him, not really much passion into the relation. I ll meet her next week at college and settle the matter.
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Postby Chederer » Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:31

:lol: good luck with that---just remember the golden rule...
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Postby Samael » Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:42

What's that golden rule?
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