September 11 2001 - thoughts, a decade on....?

[beltic caldy]

http://www.ae911truth.org/

anyone else unhappy at the outcome of the 911 Commission's 'findings'? The FACT that WTC7 was never mentioned (not once, read it) in their report - this being, if they're to be believed, the first time in the history of humanity that that a steel-structure sky-scraper has collapsed due to fire.

i'm just incredibly saddened that this event has almost been allowed to 'go away'. If you have any problems with the official account (never mind conspiracy theories) and would like the investigation to be objectively reopened, take a look at the above site and maybe sign their petition - they are a group of architects and engineers who don't accept the official account, based simply on the evidence available, and would like a new investigation.

[jayl0ve]

I'm sure the government had something to do with it, but they're so incredibly powerful that it doesn't even matter what people like you and I think, for real. They're gonna do whatever the f**k they want to do no matter what, and just deny deny deny.

It's an incredibly sad date, but honestly I'm with the 3rd choice....I just wanna stop talking about it, it's a done deal.

[beltic caldy]

Thanks Jay - understand the feeling of futility/apathy - thing is, if....IF there was a series of controlled demolitions here...i.e. IF the US government had foreknowledge etc....what's to stop this happening again?

It's really horrible - i myself don't necessarily see the truth coming out anytime soon, maybe never - but i feel compelled to keep trying. My little sister was working in Tower 1 and only finished work 3 days before the attacks.

To sweep this under the carpet, or to allow, through silence and apathy for likewise to happen is almost the same thing as saying 'its ok'. And to say it's ok this time....? What if it's my sister next time? All those people who were killed - i know its emotionally very hard, but isn't a debt owed to them - a debt that the truth might at least go some way towards paying.

[Saarbrigga]

Not easy to answer...

Since 4 years, i watched dozens and more documentations about 9/11. Those which support the official version, and the conspiracy supporters.

Both sides can t be ignored, that s fact!

[djarvik]

As a 9/11 survivor and therefore first hand witness, as an Israeli army officer, I am telling you with certainty - I have seen first hand a lot of crazy shit, including terrorism..... 9/11 wasn't it.

There are plenty of theories on how and why, but all of them have holes.

This happened plenty of times in history (in other forms) and will happen again.

[beltic caldy]

As a 9/11 survivor and therefore first hand witness, as an Israeli army officer, I am telling you with certainty - I have seen first hand a lot of crazy ****, including terrorism..... 9/11 wasn't it.

There are plenty of theories on how and why, but all of them have holes.

This happened plenty of times in history (in other forms) and will happen again.

Holy crows Al - you were in New York/The Towers that morning? Thats pretty amazing man. I'm a little unsure how you can say 9/11 wasn't 'terrorism' - the sheer scale presumably? Irrespective of the who's and whys and all that lot, I'm just pretty shocked with the official reports.

This goes to you too Nitten - have a look at the movie on that website (top of this thread) - the direct link = http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 360042032#

I've watched all the 'big' movies and documentaries several times myself (and I seriously do mean all) - this is a pretty 'dry' presentation of facts and evidence - basically says that WTC7 had........HAD to have been brought down by controlled demolition. If that's true, and I agree that it is, then why not Towers 1 and 2 also? And if these things are true - IF - then we as a people surely cannot just say 'these things happen' , no?

Please don't take offence at my tone or questions Al - a recent poll taken in New York on this subject (over a 1000 people polled apparently), 49% of those polled stated that they believed they were being lied to re the official accounts.

I had held hope that Obama might be more inclined to lift the lid on this, but he seems to be with the 'business as usual' crowd. Doesn't matter - I've signed the petition on their site myself - may make no difference, hell probably won't - but it feels a little better to feel like I'm doing something other than feeling bad about this crime.

[coke4]

A plane crashing into a building is more than enough to make it topple

[beltic caldy]

Not easy to answer...

Since 4 years, i watched dozens and more documentations about 9/11. Those which support the official version, and the conspiracy supporters.

Both sides can t be ignored, that s fact!

Take focus off Towers 1 and 2 for the moment man - explain how WTC7 could collapse like that, without timed/expert explosions? I've studied the blueprints for the building - it's structure means that it is impossible (not improbable/unlikely), but actually physically impossible for it to have collapsed like it did as a result of fire alone. Once you accept that as a fact (never mind who or why), then ANY official account that discounts, or doesn't even MENTION (as in the 9/11 commission report) in the first instance the possibility of timed-explosive-demolition-charges simply must be called into question. It would be like having an investigation into the sinking of the Titanic and not mentioning icebergs.

I believe, as you say, that the official accounts cannot be ignored - but they should not be trusted in this context - they expose reluctance to look at the situation in an objective/realistic manner. Don't we deserve, as living breathing voting human beings to have an explanation for this crime that answers ALL of the questions, no matter how hard?

I just think we do - and while it's the hard, emotionally and many other ways (i've been firmly labelled a conspiracy theorist by many of my friends, which i'm absolutely not - with degrees in Physics and Applied Mathematics, I come from a highly trained scientific background), it feels so wrong to give in, just because of the passage of time and other stuff.

[beltic caldy]

A plane crashing into a building is more than enough to make it topple

That wholly depends on 1) the plane and 2) the building

The empire state building had a plane crash into it in 1945 (it was a B-25 bomber) - 11 people were killed, but not only did the building not collapse, but it suffered NO SIGNIFICANT structural damage - this despite the plane being FULL of fuel.

Watch the movie on that link mate (9/11 Blueprint for Truth - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 360042032#) - then get back to me about planes and buildings ; )

rich

ps how do you explain the collapse of WTC7 coke? No plane crashed into it. WTC7 = the 9/11 smoking gun

[Cro Morgan]

I have seen all the documentaries and have read quite a bit on the subject. A lot of questions still need to be answered - and the US Government doesn't seem to be in a rush to answer any of them.

[beltic caldy]

I have seen all the documentaries and have read quite a bit on the subject. A lot of questions still need to be answered - and the US Government doesn't seem to be in a rush to answer any of them.

i agree completely.

[Amazing Matheja]

...and the US Government doesn't seem to be in a rush to answer any of them.

Tell me about it...

[Cro Morgan]

Personally, I can't get past the fact that no footage exists of the plane hitting the Pentagon.

The Pentagon is one of, if not the most fortified building in the world. No video? I can't even walk into the corner liquor store without getting filmed from six different angles.

[coke4]

A plane crashing into a building is more than enough to make it topple

That wholly depends on 1) the plane and 2) the building

The empire state building had a plane crash into it in 1945 (it was a B-25 bomber) - 11 people were killed, but not only did the building not collapse, but it suffered NO SIGNIFICANT structural damage - this despite the plane being FULL of fuel.

Watch the movie on that link mate (9/11 Blueprint for Truth - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 360042032#) - then get back to me about planes and buildings ; )

rich

Something moving at 300+ miles per hour and weighing 150+ tonnes with lots and lots of petrol on board will knock down a building.
The shock waves and damage it would send down the building and make it very un-stable, the crashing of another plane into a building right beside it would add to the stress even more.
The height of the building add more stress to the structure. One collapses, which then causes the other to collapse.
And no building can only be knocked down by explosives, this is a whole lot a bs, the same way the way the Titanic was unsinkable.
I have talked to a lot of engineers about this, engineers who arent being influenced by the potential of earning a lot of money the way these conspiracy theorists are, they all say the same thing, the force of a plane is enough to knock down a building like the WTC's, the ESB is much more sound structure wise.
Now im not saying that the planes did bring down the building, im just saying they could of easily

[beltic caldy]

Personally, I can't get past the fact that no footage exists of the plane hitting the Pentagon.

The Pentagon is one of, if not the most fortified building in the world. No video? I can't even walk into the corner liquor store without getting filmed from six different angles.

Yeah - pretty 'coincidental' alright. Bear in mind that the video footage from ALL local businesses were seized within 30 minutes of that 'attack' and are still under 'threat to national security' seal - they may NEVER actually be released under those terms. Also, re the pentagon, the main wall was pulled down very quickly after the attack - almost NO aircraft debris was recovered, AND a load of light-posts/lamp-posts were torn up/knocked over....as though by a cruise-missile/drone.

We're getting into conspiracy stuff here - which to mind is jumping the (smoking) gun - if you seriously have doubts about the official explanations, please jump onto the http://www.ae911truth.org/ site and sign their petition - it can't hurt and you never know, we might actually get a credible/adult/truthful investigation initiated. You just never know.