Short Slice On Sim Tour

[beltic caldy]

BAN IT BAN IT BAN IT BAN IT!!!!!!

i'm tired of 'clever' cheesers who save it til break-point or set point or whatever and then use it. It's boring and CHEAP and comes under the 'happy to do anything, including unfair/cheat play to win' heading.

Maybe people that do it should be allowed to continue, but have their name's added to a 'feels the need to cheat to win' list, or be awarded a t-shirt with that emblazoned etc? majority of us hate losing but are here for the sport and playing of the sport - cheesers should all get together and cheese against each other - they have a different agenda.

bah!

[jayl0ve]

Sorry guys but this is ridiculous.

Ban this shot and I'd definitely, for sure, stay away from ITST tournaments.

I don't use it....I really pretty much don't use it AT ALL, but I think this is truly going overboard.

LET'S START BANNING DOWN THE LINE WINNERS!!

I've had many matches 'ruined' by shameless practicioners of this strategy!!

Everybody knows that in real tennis, you NEVER HIT DOWN THE LINE....you must go cross court until you get 'THE OK' from your opponent (it's not verbal, more of a look in the eyes that says 'You may hit down the line now').

[calvkln]

I rather lose big against a good player than losing tight to a cheeser.

On this point i'd like to add something, when i first joined, after all my original losses, against fedfan, villa, pocho, djarvik, calvlnk, brgerflipr, i was able to leave the match and go "wow, they outplayed me", the didnt out cheese me, they outplayed me. and i continued to play them and learn how to play, against each i had fun matches in which i learnt how to play real tennis, this is missing from the tour at the moment.

Coke I totally agree with you....when you out play someone It feels rewarding, like you have accomplished a feat....yet when you beat a cheester it is like....a win, but not fulfilling...."empty win"
also, although this is a video game that we are playing and the object is to win...lets win matches in a professional manor....lets out rally players, out serve players, out volley players, out risk slice players.....wait scratch that, if you find that you are losing to many players then figure out a way to take away from what they do best. From the above players that coke mentioned including him, I have lost to many of them and I have learned from those loses and it has made me a better player. It is ok to lose party people, but make it meaningful by taking something positive out of it.

[beltic caldy]

Everybody knows that in real tennis, you NEVER HIT DOWN THE LINE....you must go cross court until you get 'THE OK' from your opponent (it's not verbal, more of a look in the eyes that says 'You may hit down the line now').

everybody knows this??? huh? sorry jay bro, i play tennis three, maybe four times a week...for, oh, about 25 years now....this is a new one on me - honestly.

and even it wasn't, its not the same argument, unless i'm missing the point - personally, i think drop-shots are ok, because there's an element of risk to performing a good one, plus you can read it slightly in advance - just like in reality - the short-slice does not have this property - sure, there's a slight risk element, but less-so than with a proper drop-shot.

hate to disagee with you my man, but compelled to in this case lol!

[Coolhand Texas]

he was joking about down the line, no one gives you a look that is ok to go down the line

I still think that you cannot ban a shot. What about using a short slice to pass somebody?? then that will be gone as well. just cannot ban shots. Even though i hate to see this abused you just cant do it

[beltic caldy]

hmmm..my bad then.

not sure what you mean about short-slice to pass someone tho - i think RT+LT slice should be banned - plain and simple - whether it's played as a 'safe' drop shot, or a pass - as regards passing someone, this can still be done without short-slice implementation (RT+LT etc), can it not?

break it down a little for me - what situations do you find short-slice play (both triggers) a)acceptable and b) not acceptable.....

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[jayl0ve]

Everybody knows that in real tennis, you NEVER HIT DOWN THE LINE....you must go cross court until you get 'THE OK' from your opponent (it's not verbal, more of a look in the eyes that says 'You may hit down the line now').

everybody knows this??? huh? sorry jay bro, i play tennis three, maybe four times a week...for, oh, about 25 years now....this is a new one on me - honestly.

and even it wasn't, its not the same argument, unless i'm missing the point - personally, i think drop-shots are ok, because there's an element of risk to performing a good one, plus you can read it slightly in advance - just like in reality - the short-slice does not have this property - sure, there's a slight risk element, but less-so than with a proper drop-shot.

hate to disagee with you my man, but compelled to in this case lol!

Yeah I was just joking, sorry

Honestly I don't like the shot and it kinda makes me roll my eyes, but we can't ban it....that's just total insanity.

[Coolhand Texas]

I do not like the shot as well. The only time i ever do it now, is if someone does it to me then i take revenge

Sometimes i will use a short double triggered slice to pass someone at the ner, i dont see anything wrong with that do you?

[jayl0ve]

hmmm..my bad then.

not sure what you mean about short-slice to pass someone tho - i think RT+LT slice should be banned - plain and simple - whether it's played as a 'safe' drop shot, or a pass - as regards passing someone, this can still be done without short-slice implementation (RT+LT etc), can it not?

break it down a little for me - what situations do you find short-slice play (both triggers) a)acceptable and b) not acceptable.....

?

Honestly I don't think about whether a shot is 'acceptable' or not, as long as it's not some obvious glitch like the guy picking up the ball and dropping it over the net, or something.. It's kinda hard to win a match if you're constantly thinking "how cheesy was that last shot on a scale of 1 to 10??"

[jayl0ve]

Sometimes i will use a short double triggered slice to pass someone at the ner, i dont see anything wrong with that do you?

It really doesn't bother me at all, I think slice passing shots (short slice, long slice, wtf ever slice) are kind of cool, especially against somebody who comes to the net A LOT, because if you just keep giving them the same passing shot attempt that HASN'T WORKED the past 25 times he's come to the net, you need to try something different!! Most people aren't expecting you to try to pass them with a slice.

[beltic caldy]

I do not like the shot as well. The only time i ever do it now, is if someone does it to me then i take revenge

Sometimes i will use a short double triggered slice to pass someone at the ner, i dont see anything wrong with that do you?

hmmm.....tricky - i'm guessing probably not, but don't think i've experienced it - mostly i've had it thrown at me in drop-shot style fashion. i tend to use normal slice to cut back a net-approaching player's range of options, or even pass them if lucky....hmmmm....might need to see it in action to make better judgement.

jay man - hear what you're saying bro - to be fair, there aren't that many cheesey-plays that spoil a good match tho, are there? inside baseline returning, and short-slicing are the only two cultprits that spring to mind. we need qualified refs watching the matches dammit! LOL!!!!!!

[Fredz_x]

Cant you just counter it by using topspin? eventually theyll hit it out which is what i found out. And if they keep doing it you must be using to many flat shots? If you can L2 risk then its pretty easy to keep it at bay like stop whining about it. Its in the game and it cant be banned because its one word against another if* someone does it. You can also dropshot it back over the net or just short slice it back simples It is the easiest risk and it shoudlnt really be in the game but it is and i thinks we got to learn to live with it. At the end of the day its just a game 0.0

[jayl0ve]

Hmm that's actually a good suggestion, about the topspin.

One thing I've always been impressed about with this game, is the effect that the height of the ball has on your timing (and therefore the quality of your shot). Flat balls are easier to short/risk slice than high bouncing, deep RT+LT+B bombs.

[Fredz_x]

Exactly.

[AMAZING ZIZOU]

I do not like the shot as well. The only time i ever do it now, is if someone does it to me then i take revenge

Same here !!
But i go crazy when my opponent is just better at it

This shot cannot definately be banned. It would be ridiculous but we all know IT IS THE ultimate weapon.
The best players use it always at the right time and get the point....always