< TS3 Returns In Question >

[PCFitnessDotNet]

Today I played GOA MASTER MDMA, he won 7,6 / 7,6 great match!!

However, I'd like to raise a question about using LT "B" on returns in ITST. Many of you may know me on XBL as PCFitnessDotNet, I've been a registered member of ITST for a few years.

This was a VERY tight match and could have gone either way.. And by no means do I want to take anything away from my opponent or dispute it, he played well and I want him to have it. My opponent didn't use LT "B" too often during the sets, until the tie breaks. Why tie breaks only? It was as if he would use LT "B" as a last minute resort to stay in the point and it worked like a charm. If this is such an effective return weapon for him why wasn't he using it to win all the other games. Not sure this is fair to the other guy, but I can tell you for sure it helped him break me in the tie breaks by 1-3 points each one.

As for LT/RT "A" and X" we see those quite often in real tennis, but not LT "B".

If ITST decides this is a legit way to score points in ITST tennis then I'm all for it, otherwise I don't care for it. You don't see it in real tennis so why have it in ITST TS3?

~ pc.

[emate007]

Poll is worded strangely...

Does voting yes mean I approve of LT -B returns? I think they're just like every shot in the game... Useful, but lame if abused and spammed.

[Chederer]

your right....it usually happens on frame shots in real tennis....but it has not been called "cheese" so, people can IMO use it all they want.....but, did you watch Roddick vs Del Potro yesterday? Roddick used LT B quite a bit on the kick serves he was getting from Delpo....but the difference is they were not out right winners that delpo could not get to.....i absolutely hate the short cross court B returns....they piss me off especially when my opponent does it 5 times in a row

[djarvik]

Glad to see you finally participating man!

I personally don't have a problem with them, be it returning is such way or serving against someone who returns in such way. I'll take LT B return to any RT return anytime!

As far as I remember from my playing with you, you use a low speed and you risk often. May I suggest this to be a problem? ....slow deep shots disrupt rhythm on most but very best riskers and therefore a good weapon in a non risker arsenal. Try slower serves, then power up your regular non risk A and release in time deep to the corner. You will find them less imposing. Serving fast actually helps them, as you will have less time to recover after serve.

Hope it helps dude!

[djarvik]

your right....it usually happens on frame shots in real tennis....but it has not been called "cheese" so, people can IMO use it all they want.....but, did you watch Roddick vs Del Potro yesterday? Roddick used LT B quite a bit on the kick serves he was getting from Delpo....but the difference is they were not out right winners that delpo could not get to.....i absolutely hate the short cross court B returns....they piss me off especially when my opponent does it 5 times in a row

Great example! In real life, playing against a big guy, big server, that moves relatively slow.....this will usually put him on his back foot. Generally, blocking the ball deep against anyone with mediocre speed will result in good things

[Chederer]

except Delpo was expecting it and started stepping up in the court and smashing it down the line.....Roddick should have hit those returns down the line......i have never seen Delpos forehand look so good though....Roddick was very afraid of the forehand yesterday...I WOULD BE TOO HE WAS TOTALLY SMASHING EVERY FOREHAND HE GOT...if he can keep hitting the forehand like that he may very well be the next #1---

[Moralspain]

I use lt+b or lt+a to return almost always, and i´m gonna keep using them.

[Rob ITST]

Aren't LT+B shots just deep or angled topspin? Isn't that kind of the foundation of 90% of the pro's games today?

I'm like Djarvik on this. I see opponents deal with them easily, and I can usually deal with them myself. And on a return there is really no way to get depth or angle without it.

Until we see people losing serve more than they hold, like with the inside the baseline slice returns, I don't see any reason to ban any return. It's still tough to break serve, no matter what returns you use.

[ANILTJE]

.they piss me off especially when my opponent does it 5 times in a row

If someone does it to you 5 times in a row maybe you were serving a lot outwide??

[Chederer]

im just gonna start risk returning everything everytime ha ha ha...im never gonna hit a return without a trigger again muah ha ha ha ha---and then i will short slice every chance i get

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

we had a great match. it was really a hard fight.
your permanently double risk return was great, and shocked me ,
automaticly i changed my serve tactic . i served more rt lt b kickserves ,and i changed position to middle line!

i tryed alot to read your serve, to break your serve but every from my returns, you answered with double trigger sliced to the other side . that was very clever .
by your serve wide out i had the biggest problems.
after you saw my problem, you served alot wide out
i start with no risk returns, over risk return, rt a return till lt B return.

in second set by 2-1 for me, i had breaked you with some awesome returns from my side .include lt b returns.
i had lead 3-1 in 2 set.
you can remember ???
by 4-2 you rebreak me with some amazing double trigger returns.

i never use lt b in a row.

also i had not started this lt b returns in tiebreak.
i started this much earlier:
i use this LT B return only by wide out serve.
sometimes i returned soo bad with lt b that ball comes high in the middle of the court.

at all i dont think that i use a illegal tactic,

[Chederer]

.they piss me off especially when my opponent does it 5 times in a row

If someone does it to you 5 times in a row maybe you were serving a lot outwide??

yes......very much so----ive never looked into my serve that much and what i could do to improve it.....but short cross court winner returns are weak IMO....its easier to do with a double hander though because the serve you usually do it on is a kick to your backhand----and i find if i serve it up the T on the deuce it gets smacked down the line by a double trigger return--then i tell myself i will never hit it there again....EVER-soo then its usually body serves and slices out wide on the deuce then on out...i dont feel right when i short cross court B my opponent everytime i get a outwide serve.....i mean everyone risk returns...you cant win without it on this game....and yes guys i know MY SERVE SUCKS!!!! ahhh i must improve this crappy part of my game.....thats usually where i get beat is someone will risk return my every serve....im usually pretty equal in the rallies with most people

[Rob ITST]

.they piss me off especially when my opponent does it 5 times in a row

If someone does it to you 5 times in a row maybe you were serving a lot outwide??

lol That's the way I see it too. If someone is constantly burning you with the same return, then you're not doing enough with your serve. Even the inside-the-baseline returns can be dealt with now, but I don't think anyone wants us to un-ban those.

I remember when everyone was complaining about the wide serves. Now, the wide servers are complaining about the returns.

its easier to do with a double hander though because the serve you usually do it on is a kick to your backhand----

It's easier to return kick with B - topspin vs topspin. Also, the forehand is the vulnerable side to kick serves. Kind of backwards, but oh well.

But really Chederer, you serve wide too much, that's probably why you're having so much trouble dealing with these returns. You usually can't get much angle off a serve up the middle.

I agree the short slice can get a bit lame, and I really hate seeing a slice forehand except on defense, but there are ways to counter them, and even easier ways to make them miss.

[djarvik]

Thank you, let me bold it out!

I agree the short slice can get a bit lame, and I really hate seeing a slice forehand except on defense, but there are ways to counter them, and even easier ways to make them miss.

[Chederer]

from Rob ITST: It's easier to return kick with B - topspin vs topspin. Also, the forehand is the vulnerable side to kick serves. Kind of backwards, but oh well.

But really Chederer, you serve wide too much, that's probably why you're having so much trouble dealing with these returns. You usually can't get much angle off a serve up the middle.

I agree the short slice can get a bit lame, and I really hate seeing a slice forehand except on defense, but there are ways to counter them, and even easier ways to make them miss.
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all right....my apologies for bashing the short cross court B returns.....and Anil and Rob you guys are right....i slice out wide on the deuce pretty much everytime....when i played djarvik yesterday i mixed it up more and saw a lot better results....i have better results serving on the ad court though....because most the time on the deuce im usually thinking to myself why can i not win a point on that side and now you guys have pointed it out......i serve out wide wayyyy too much.....and everyone knows that