Cheese Statement (Fair Play at the ITST)

[Chederer]

is it possible for people to create lag on purpose? i get this feeling sometimes when im playing because my opponent will have no lag when he hits the ball, but then right before i hit the ball i get a quick freeze or when i serve ill bounce the ball 3 times then serve and i get a weird lag...so a few times i let the ball bounce just once or twice then served and there was no lag or it was a little after i hit the serve

[coke4]

is it possible for people to create lag on purpose? i get this feeling sometimes when im playing because my opponent will have no lag when he hits the ball, but then right before i hit the ball i get a quick freeze or when i serve ill bounce the ball 3 times then serve and i get a weird lag...so a few times i let the ball bounce just once or twice then served and there was no lag or it was a little after i hit the serve

i think to your oppenent the lag is when he hits the ball as the lag is always when i hit the ball to, So to your oppenent it seems like you have no lag aswell

[Saarbrigga]

Hi,

i don t want to open a new thread, so this one should do it:


Question: Is it cheesy to play a very deep slice (X) shot after a service? Don t understand it wrong, i don t mean a slice return!!!

Example, two players, Player A vs. Player B.
Player A to serve:

A: Service
B: Return
A: short slice

It is definatley a VERY effective weapon, but 1-2 ITST players (i don t say any names) already told me it s cheesy, almost like return inside the field.

What s the deal? Cheesy or not?

I guess it is...

It s time to clear it up. Because it seems many people don t know if yes or not.


Best regards

[Moralspain]

nothing wrong with that shot, completely legal, it´s probably a pain in the ass, legal though

[djarvik]

Xavi, its not a question of being legal....rather cheesy.

From ITST Cheese statement:

As you may or may not know, "cheesy" is a term used to describe a style of play that most players consider to be unfair. The style takes advantage of the games limitations, making it completely unrealistic compared to real life tennis. Examples of this would be: risk slice returning from inside the baseline, serving from the far corners (tramlines), lobbing returns, drop shot returns, among other things.

That said, there are universal "unwritten" rules concerning "cheesy" play. We've never had to make firm rules because the ITST community respects their existence. They involve playing fairly & not using the known "cheesy" tactics that lessen this game.

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

That said, there are universal "unwritten" rules concerning "cheesy" play. We've never had to make firm rules because the ITST community respects their existence. They involve playing fairly & not using the known "cheesy" tactics that lessen this game.

sadly not all itst members follow that way (look linedancing -weight/height limit ecetera)
so i think its better itst have 1 or 2 more rules as an endless discuss about cheesy stuff again and again and again and ..........again (my private opinion).

BTW: hey chris- ,dieser schlg ist zwar billig,aber er ist nicht verboten ..solange er nicht verboten oder geächtet ist ,werden spieler den schlag spielen .LEIDER.

[Moralspain]

What do you really want to know Niten?, if it´s cheesy or if it´s ilegal?, not the same thing

[AMAZING ZIZOU]

CHEESY OT NOT CHEESY ?

Example, two players, Player A vs. Player B.
Player A to serve:

A: Service
B: Return
A: short slice

I guess it is...

It definately is.

[Coolhand Texas]

Im not sure what he is asking? In one part he says deep slice, and then in another he says short slice?

Anyway if its a deep slice then hit as many as you want, but i consider short slice cheesy, just use a drop shot

[SoundfSilence]

Hi,
Question: Is it cheesy to play a very deep slice (X) shot after a service? Don t understand it wrong, i don t mean a slice return!!!

Long slice after a serve is not cheesy in my view. BUT

Example, two players, Player A vs. Player B.
Player A to serve:

A: Service
B: Return
A: short slice

Short slice after a serve, is very very cheesy. I've seen people complain about it in the forums, but never thought much of it (as I hadn't faced one). BUT, I have seen this recently, the shot was done to me a few times in very important points and now I know why people complain. Extremely cheesy play.

A nice polite message to the opponent afterwards is needed, as they may not know it is cheesy.

[Andymachine]

I agree it isnt the most realistic shot in the book Sound , but i have seen the top players all use it in matches that i have played against them, especially when they are down or at 5 all or especially in tie breaks and i mean all of the players either that or risk returns , which i use a lot but ive always been up front about the fact that i use risk a lot on returns

I played a player in a recent quarter final that didnt use a risk slice until the first point of the tiebreak then did it on each serve i hit, it was very frustrating

[jayl0ve]

Can you imagine Street Fighter 2 tournaments where they put a limit on Hadokens per round or outlawed tick-throws or didn't let you corner-trap guys??

I mean I totally HATE 'cheesy' shots like the super-short slice, but I think the fact that something so effective yet so incredibly easy to pull off even exists in this game, it's kind of a huge sign that this game is just B-R-O-K-E-N, i.e very unbalanced. It's also something that could probably easily be fixed with an update/patch if the developers still gave a **** about this game or the community that loves their game (which they obviously don't)

[Saarbrigga]

What do you really want to know Niten?, if it´s cheesy or if it´s ilegal?, not the same thing

I want to know if it s ok to use this tactic.

I did it a couple of times against cheesy World Tour players, and it works very well, almost no chance to do anything against it, especially if your service is good.

Returning from inside the field for example: Is this cheesy or ilegal? I guess both.

If you still don t know what i mean, Djarvic seems to know what i mean. He can it explain to you.

[Coolhand Texas]

Short slice after a serve is cheesy, to most people.

Long and deep slice after serve is ok

[SoundfSilence]

I agree it isnt the most realistic shot in the book Sound , but i have seen the top players all use it in matches that i have played against them, especially when they are down or at 5 all or especially in tie breaks and i mean all of the players either that or risk returns , which i use a lot but ive always been up front about the fact that i use risk a lot on returns

I played a player in a recent quarter final that didnt use a risk slice until the first point of the tiebreak then did it on each serve i hit, it was very frustrating

Did you report it to the host?

Always report to the host after the match Andy if you feel the opponent used cheesy tactics (whether you win or lose). This way the host will keep your feedback, look into it further and take necessary action.