Retirement From Tour

[Michael.D]

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Michael my friend ,Manatour shall we mention u had a terrible reputation cause u couldt stand a loss and when u were losing you would serve from the corners? You would insult people and u were banned several times for insults and bad behaviour? "The Famous Vika Azarenka"

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Hey Alex my friend.... My name is Victoria Azarenká V.A on Managames.
Vika Azarenka is LANE from Boznia. Find out well

[Elias]

Obviously when we play against European players sometimes it goes smother nice, and sometimes it goes bumpy IMO, but that is realted to our connection with each other. We can easily have a nice point to Managames server then have a worse one between two players, been there done that IMO.

Yep. An important point to be noted is that Managames server doesn't influences a match between two players. TE only sends data to Managames server in between games, for score updates purposes in the lobby (it's the reason why there is sometimes long freezes in between games when the MG server has some availability issues).
Meaning, the Managames server doesn't act like a tunnel between Player1 <> Player2 at all (or then two american people would have some huge delay playing together..). The main server only allows two players to connect each other, and after that, they are playing on their own, with a direct connexion. The only network activity with MG server by then is sending score data in between games (and maybe some sparse client/server security checks, i didn't checked the network flow), i guess Manutoo can confirm this.

The games being more enjoyable with a lower ping <150ms is another subject, i plenty agree with it, it's a pretty common fact among online gaming by the way. Higher pings changes the dynamic of the game considerably, though i've seen way worse cases compared to TE. Dream Match Tennis for example is terrible at handling latency. TE usually smoothes it pretty well in comparison.

I have to say i don't like much either to play 200/250ms matches, though, i still prefer playing for example, Algo with a constant, stable 180/200ms ping (no variation) compared to some europeans players using Wi-Fi and showing huge ping variations at times, like going from 50 to 170.. The most important regarding gameplay cumfort is connexion *stability* IMO.

That's how connexions should to be judged regarding our "lag rule" in my opinion. stability, consistency.
Recurring connexion loss, packet loss, heavy ping variations, ports closing randomly (never heard of this one), are connexions issues that should be adressed and fixed, and it's the player responsability.

[AlexJasmins]

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Michael my friend ,Manatour shall we mention u had a terrible reputation cause u couldt stand a loss and when u were losing you would serve from the corners? You would insult people and u were banned several times for insults and bad behaviour? "The Famous Vika Azarenka"

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Hey Alex my friend.... My name is Victoria Azarenká V.A on Managames.
Vika Azarenka is LANE from Boznia. Find out well

U understood what i meant and it's u and u know it . Cya man

[Michael.D]

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Michael my friend ,Manatour shall we mention u had a terrible reputation cause u couldt stand a loss and when u were losing you would serve from the corners? You would insult people and u were banned several times for insults and bad behaviour? "The Famous Vika Azarenka"

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Hey Alex my friend.... My name is Victoria Azarenká V.A on Managames.
Vika Azarenka is LANE from Boznia. Find out well

U understood what i meant and it's u and u know it . Cya man

ok, you win. i'm vika azarenka

[VMoe86]

Also when I played FelipeM in Rotterdam connection was fine and stable, but due to the high ping there were a lot of "soft neutral balls". These kill fun for me (and as you said probably for most if not all of the players), that's what I'm trying to say.

This is not due to high ping, but due to high delay. The first thing I take a look at when starting a tour match is the delay (if my opponent wants to host). A delay of 150ms or 167ms ping does not bother me, with 184ms or 200ms I have to play a bit differently (further back). With TE 2013 (or the last update for TE 2011) manutoo made returning with high delay better.

EDIT: Both Michael.D and AlexJasmins -- learn to quote!

[Uchiha Muss]

I'm just saying my opinion. When I played with a guy American PST zone we had 200ms ping between us. The match went really smooth, No problems. then again I play on with ethernet cable so my ping is around 20-30ms.

[El Croato]

I have to say I am quite disappointed about the way the situation is going, the heated debate is kind of turning into a clash between Europeans and South Americans. Is this the spirit of tennis? No way!

I already played against The Bombarder, Felipe M, Michael D, Spencercarlos and many more and I have always been enjoying playing against them because they are all great players and they help improve my game through practice matches and advice they sometimes take the trouble to give me. All in all, I think that no-one should retire, you just have to let the steam off, pursue your virtual tennis career regardless of what has just been said in this topic.

I understand how frustrated some players can feel when they are playing matches while facing connection issues, but you guys should remember that this is not real life, we are playing a game, a virtual game and that is why I find some of the responses a bit disproportionate. Of course, losing is never pleasant and it is perfectly understandable to get angry after a tough loss, even in the virtual world of sports, but there is a line that should not be crossed. What do you think professional players do when they have to play a match in windy conditions, for instance? Do they tell the umpire they'd rather go home and come back to play when the sun shows its face. No, they endeavour to adapt to the situation. We tend to forget that a tennis match needs two players to be played. Wind, just as lag, has an effect on both of the players.

God knows how many break opportunities I sometimes missed because of lag. Do I have to go ballistic for all that? No, I just keep quiet, focus on my game and try to perform the best way possible. After the game, I will always congratulate my opponent and talk a bit to him about different aspects relating to the match, while some when losing - and they know very well who they are - would merely write "gg, I have to go now" and nothing more, to say nothing of those taking part in practice matches anonymously under names like "Fake_[Name of players]" and acting like real fools as they keep fist pumping when winning a point and applauding when losing some. Quite fine buddies, but I would ask that a minimum of fair-play take the pride of place again here as I have noticed for a while now that there are more and more players tending to forget what respect means.

[Uchiha Muss]

I'm just adding my 2 cents again. If you're experiencing packet loss, then that means one of you is using wi-fi. I play with cable and never dropped any %

[michael66]

I'm just saying my opinion. When I played with a guy American PST zone we had 200ms ping between us. The match went really smooth, No problems. then again I play on with ethernet cable so my ping is around 20-30ms.

Sorry mate, but we don't really care, we are talking about a guy that's always lagging, you don't need to post in every topic.

[C4iLL]

@Spencercarlos : I did not include you for a reason mate, I always enjoyed played vs you, and never felt you won or anything because of the lag. It's because you and I had an average ping which is not the case of your two friends.

Now, in my opinion and in my case, Michael's connexion and Felipe raise me issues perhaps nobody have due to my SV style. Playing against them, it's simple : it"s as random as playing volleys in Elite mode. And to be more precise : Michael's connexion is better than Felipe's one, which is the worst around.

It's not discrimination talking about that. It's just that someone open the pandara box by talking about lag : and this person doesn't realise he raised himself problems too.

Now when I said it's an unfair advantage I maintain this expression and I don't understand why you don't agree. South American play 9 matches out of 10 against europeans with 250-300 ms.
Europeans usuallay play against themselves at 90-100 ms, and suddenly it's 250-300 vs Felipe or other guys. In the first set (if not more), we then make a lot of stupid faults we would not make vs an European because we need to adjust ourself to the new sensitivity while you are already used to this sensitivity.

It's not discrimination saying that, it's just the reality and you can find a lot of reports saying that here (talking about "Wind" to make the thing more Roleplay and acceptable...). Once again, I have nothing against you guys, and I would love to play your teams in Davis Cup.

[Felipe.M]

Well, I see I'm late for everything they have said, first of all is simple logic if now I if the connection we both have good, one of many I can explain why the freeze goes ping? No other thing comes to mind other than a manipulation on my connection, and when that happens between me and him, always blames my connection, so you want to think? That is a sweet little angel has nothing to do, when he has a bad reputation in the game. Come on this is simple logic. Never be able to check if he's doing, would have to travel to Portugal and put a spy camera, every time the play to the TE.

But in the end I do not want to extend this, just wanted to announce my retirement and denounce because of this, I want you to believe me or not, only that I have my mind quiet, I did the best I could here, I committed to play every game and it honestly. Like give the best of me, always respecting my opponent. Thank people for showing their desire to stay, but I just can not bear to share rooms with people like that, it discourages me. Not play any tournament thinking I have to jasmins in that round, to cross paths with laziness, that's no fun, so that's all, I leave

All the best and good luck

[AlexJasmins]

Well, I see I'm late for everything they have said, first of all is simple logic if now I if the connection we both have good, one of many I can explain why the freeze goes ping? No other thing comes to mind other than a manipulation on my connection, and when that happens between me and him, always blames my connection, so you want to think? That is a sweet little angel has nothing to do, when he has a bad reputation in the game. Come on this is simple logic. Never be able to check if he's doing, would have to travel to Portugal and put a spy camera, every time the play to the TE.

But in the end I do not want to extend this, just wanted to announce my retirement and denounce because of this, I want you to believe me or not, only that I have my mind quiet, I did the best I could here, I committed to play every game and it honestly. Like give the best of me, always respecting my opponent. Thank people for showing their desire to stay, but I just can not bear to share rooms with people like that, it discourages me. Not play any tournament thinking I have to jasmins in that round, to cross paths with laziness, that's no fun, so that's all, I leave

All the best and good luck

No offense but that's hilarious Felipe...I just admitted it's my problem sometimes, but u saying i play dirty lol Man na I may have bad reoputation but it's not for the way I play cause I know I'm a very good player and one of the best. I just played today Florian, Vramvrim, croato and no rpoblems until the very late evening and because there is a storm here so man wish u the best. I will not retire for sure cause didn't do anything wrong ur mind is quit mine is on Mute mode.

Good luck

[inseedious]

I agree with your thoughts about lag, c4ill (maybe we talked about it on irc sometimes too). In fact, I was the first one mentioning this inequal advantage for typical laggers in this thread. I have nothing against laggy people (I also played vs Felipe recently and the match was playable, his connection stability improved a lot since our previous match), but it's like Nadal playing all his matches on clay. Obviously laggers are very used to laggy matches and they can not only manage well the situation, but also exploit it, because lots of players are totally not used to lag. I understand that sometimes it's not lagger's fault, as distance (but also the national internet providing) are causing it. But as someone said, if you have a very stable connection and set a good delay, the match is more playable (even if volleys are just crap, as c4ill said, because aiming is a lot more sensitive). I played for a week from a 500k connection, but I managed to play low ping matches just being sure that no one was using the net during my matches.
I'm against players who can do lots of things to improve their connection but just don't do anything because they enjoy it. No one helped me when I had to learn how to set a router, so it's not a difficult thing to learn (there are lots of tutorials about how to gain precious ms for multiplayer gaming), it is just direspectful to join this tour with a badly set connection.
I would ban players with a higher than 250 ms ping to Paris TE server, cause this will make laggy players set their connections in a better way (250 ms is reachable even if you live in New Zealand...).

[Felipe.M]

Well, I see I'm late for everything they have said, first of all is simple logic if now I if the connection we both have good, one of many I can explain why the freeze goes ping? No other thing comes to mind other than a manipulation on my connection, and when that happens between me and him, always blames my connection, so you want to think? That is a sweet little angel has nothing to do, when he has a bad reputation in the game. Come on this is simple logic. Never be able to check if he's doing, would have to travel to Portugal and put a spy camera, every time the play to the TE.

But in the end I do not want to extend this, just wanted to announce my retirement and denounce because of this, I want you to believe me or not, only that I have my mind quiet, I did the best I could here, I committed to play every game and it honestly. Like give the best of me, always respecting my opponent. Thank people for showing their desire to stay, but I just can not bear to share rooms with people like that, it discourages me. Not play any tournament thinking I have to jasmins in that round, to cross paths with laziness, that's no fun, so that's all, I leave

All the best and good luck

No offense but that's hilarious Felipe...I just admitted it's my problem sometimes, but u saying i play dirty lol Man na I may have bad reoputation but it's not for the way I play cause I know I'm a very good player and one of the best. I just played today Florian, Vramvrim, croato and no rpoblems until the very late evening and because there is a storm here so man wish u the best. I will not retire for sure cause didn't do anything wrong ur mind is quit mine is on Mute mode.

Good luck

Please, never let me believe, just come to admit you have a bad connection, when playing on Friday said no was your connection, and when semefinales of Australian Open, you tried to **** my connection. And I'm also very good and explain you have reputations as good? ... There are many examples of very good players with excellent reputation, not excuses on that please. The reputation is EARNED

[AlexJasmins]

I earned the reputation of being arrogant and serious. I didn't try to **** ur connection i played other guys was fine. Why is it always me? When its me i would admit as i just did

Man lots of love and peace, enough of our Bang-Bang,