trouble with oponent and host

[kopfnicker]

hello.
i (nadal) have played against ahmed-75000 (becker) the R16 of the BNP Paribas Masters (Pro Tour) in TS4 on PS3.
the score was 6-2, 5-4 (15-0) for me and i was serving.
than he left the server and flamed me after the match.
he said that i played "cheesy"... he lie and the joke is that he did it himself...

a day later the result were deleted by the host without asking me what happend and with following reason:

You're new to the ITST so maybe you're not aware of what is expected of you as a player.

before i played i have read the rules and some forum posts about what is allowed and what not (cheesy tactics).
so the host is wrong!
i have send him a message to explain what happend in the match.
but the pm is only in the outbox. i became no answer since 24h.
and my oponent told me all the day i should play or he talk to the host again.
that's why i post here.

now to the match: it was exactly inverted. he played nearly all the time "cheesy" like it's written in the "rules".
http://www.intertopspintour.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1032&t=15300

The List:

Continuously playing drop shots or drop volleys. This tactic seems to be used a lot in futures and challengers lately. Especially new and fair players should not have such a first experience with ITST. Saying that you have to use this tactic because it is a coach skill is not an excuse.

he made 30 (!) netpoints of 59 (!) points at all.
have made a screen of the result with the statistics.
over and over again with his serve and volley drop shots or ingame volley drop shots.
he affirm that he is allowed to do that because becker is a serve and volley player.
but exactly this is written in the "rules".
he can't say that he can use this tactic because it's a player skill (which is the same like coach skill in pro tour).

the 2. big thing is that he said i played cheesy!
in the complete match i played only 1 (!) drop shot. this i did after he (!) made a drop shot.
what i mean is that he made a drop shot and i counter him with a drop shot cross short!
and now he can flame me as a "cheesy" player?
if i compare this with his "cheesy" playing style it's an absolutly barefacedness!

[kopfnicker]

screen 1: http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/scorelus7y1nxrm.jpg
screen 2: http://www.directupload.net/file/d/3791/6c2grdyb_jpg.htm

[Belonger]

The guy can go 39 times to the net a game, there's no limit for this, so why do you focus on it ?

I know Ahmed and often play against him. He doesn't use drop shot volleys with Becker but short slices volleys (with square button) which is allowed and no limited. The fact is that with Becker, who has 2 volleys skills, this volleys can look like some made with R2+square button, but in reality, that's not the case.

Otherwise, Ahmed tols me you used defensive drop shots, many R1 serves without going to the net and defensive lobs when you opponents wasn't at the net : all these are cheesy tactics. Moreover, you did not center at all for serving, as he also said.

Edit : if you send screenshots, make one with the message he sent you when he said you're playing cheesy, because your second screen shot is unuseful...

[kopfnicker]

hi Belonger
did you played the match?
interesting that ahmed-75000 talked to you about the match.
but you speak...

The guy can go 39 times to the net a game, there's no limit for this, so why do you focus on it ?

because in the "rules" is written:

Continuously playing drop shots or drop volleys. This tactic seems to be used a lot in futures and challengers lately. Especially new and fair players should not have such a first experience with ITST. Saying that you have to use this tactic because it is a coach skill is not an excuse.

he did it not only 1-4 times. he made it in series (continyously).
his shots were so near by the net. my player didn't began to run. and i played with nadal!!!
and by the way. he told me in pm's that he made drop shots.

but the other fact is. what is the difference when he plays short volley slices (like you say!) which are exactly same effective like volley drop shots?
the rules write that you have to play realistic!!!
is it realistic when he plays 30 netpoints of 59 at all? that are 50% !!!
and he tried it 39 times. but the list of his tries is higher.
cause if i made the point when he tried to serve and volley or ingame volley it doesn't count.
he played nearly all the time this style. until i made points with return aces or lobs against him.

Otherwise, Ahmed tols me you used defensive drop shots, many R1 serves without going to the net and defensive lobs when you opponents wasn't at the net : all these are cheesy tactics.

if he said that. he lies.
he also said that he filmed the match... (please upload)
i made lobs. i made it when he was running in front of the net.
or when he stands in front of the net.
the net was his home in this match. so when and why should i do this if he is not in front of the net?
if he wasn't at the net i tried to beat him with std baseline shots.
the best weapon against becker!
i talked a lot with ahmed-75000 last two days. but he never said something about cheesy serves.
can you explain what you mean?

Moreover, you did not center at all for serving, as he also said.

this is the 2. thing which he didn't said to me. sure he said that?
if he do, than he lie one more time. i'm wondering. what is next? *omg*
thought here were skilled players who are playing and handling fair and true...
in the complete match i stand in the middle for serving.
when i served to the left i went max left on the baseline. same on the right (went max right)!
that's my style. i do it outside the ITST, too.

Edit : if you send screenshots, make one with the message he sent you when he said you're playing cheesy, because your second screen shot is unuseful...

i upload this 2. screen to prove that i played against ahmed-75000. in the statistics you can't see the PSN-ID.
and why should i make a screen when he said you're playing cheesy? what is the use?

[kopfnicker]

forgot this:
ahmed-75000 is a liar and unfair.
after the 1. set he said "1 min" and ask me a question.
i waited and while i was answering in PSN he goes on playing... thanks for this ...
it's not a big thing. but it's a thing about his character.

another lie was that he said to me in the pm's

I play on this site for a long time and I never u problems with people.

but in his tournament history is written that he left the server not for the first time!!!

[kopfnicker]

private message by ahmed-75000:

Re: forum

Sent: 30 Oct 2014 19:59
From: ahmed-75000
To: kopfnicker
No
Please stop to send me message for the last match
Im liar y ou have reason

shame on you for all these troublemaking, lying and manipulating.
normally you have to be punish for this.

[ahmed-75000]

I said this message that to you even stopped sending me messages about this game because I went to something else while you keep yourself. it's still a game
because for you I'm the liar and cheater and not you
I am going to speak for the last time. you use lobs defense, you made ​​drop shot defense.
yes I did drop shot but I made it short and voley long.mon player is a specialist at the net.
you should go to something else instead of coming back and insist that I am a liar when I am not
you are first gay to send me in psn 'bad looser' shame of you

[Belonger]

Stop writing such long messages, you're losing your energy for nothing. Because when I saw which extract from the ITST rules you picked to answer about the fact that going many times to the net is not forbidden, I stopped reading you. This extract doesn't say anything about number of net rushes you're supposed to be allowed.

You're new here but you want you re-design rules on you on your own point of view. It doesn't make sense. Good bye.

[Burna747]

ahmed used drop shots and kopfnicker used nadal. I dont see the problem.
Also kopfnicker you said in the other topic that every shot is easy to counter when you are prepared and now you complain about ahmed because he made so many drop shots? Makes no sense to me. Also i dont like how you talk about other respected members here in public. Better talk with private messages!
P.s. someone who uses nadal is unfair and have no rights to complain about anything in my opinion.

[kopfnicker]

hello Burna747

ahmed used drop shots and kopfnicker used nadal. I dont see the problem.
Also kopfnicker you said in the other topic that every shot is easy to counter when you are prepared and now you complain about ahmed because he made so many drop shots? Makes no sense to me. Also i dont like how you talk about other respected members here in public. Better talk with private messages!
P.s. someone who uses nadal is unfair and have no rights to complain about anything in my opinion.

yes i said that you can counter every shot. i said some are easy, some are hard.
for some you need practice and experience.

i didn't complain or say anything about his gaming style until ahmed-75000 went to the host crying and lying...
and match deleting...
if he haven't do this i never said something about his unrealistic gaming style...

and i only do this here in the forum because the private message system takes to long and work bad.
the tournaments have a deadline every single round.
i spoke to 2 host's.
for some pm i had to wait over 24 hours for an answer... (it was less an answer of my questions to him than more a fact he told me i should play again)
the other host don't answer anymore!!! (pm is still in the outbox)...
i'm just waiting for an answer of the host's what i have done wrong...
he ignore my questions...
he ignore the fact that i have played by the rules...

P.s. someone who uses nadal is unfair and have no rights to complain about anything in my opinion.

i think agassi is unfair and overskilled...
with nadal you need skill...
i can also say federer is unfair cause when someone only uses inside-out forehands...
every of the top players are different and have there own strength.
we can discuss long time about this theme...
it's a personal skill thing too. someone can play better with nadal, some with fed.

[Belonger]

Burna, my friend, nothing to say more than you've said.

You summed up situation as weel as you play this game ! And youplay TS4 f**king good, I'm well placed to know that as you kicked my ass many times .

Now your target is Hass2ssan, hang on bro !

PS : and kopfknicker dares to tell you that Nadal is less cheated than Agassi ... both are cheated, but this is the opposite of what he says : you need more skills to master Agassi than Nadal. What is true is that if you masters both, then I thnik Andre is more efficient... but he's harder to use than Nadal who has terrible Monster Defense and Reach Swing combined to very high speed and stamina... More, it's literraly funny when he says each pro has his abilities without making any hierarchy between them...

[kopfnicker]

to Belonger

Because when I saw which extract from the ITST rules you picked to answer about the fact that going many times to the net is not forbiddent, I stopped reading you. This extract doesn't say anything about number of net rushes you're supposed to be allowed.

you haven't understand what i say and what ahmed-75000 have done.
nearly every time when he went to the net he made an volley drop shot. (serve and volley, ingame)
30 of 39 netpoints! 59 points at all! (50% netpoints)
and the tries of making netpoints with his style is much higher. cause when i made the point when he was in front the net it doesn't count!!! now you understand about what i'm talking???
the rules write it's not allowed to do it continuously and that you have to keep it realistic!!
he was playing serve and volley drop shots and ingame volley drop shots in series!!!
so many rallys ends up with 2-4 balls.
50% netpoints is realistic?
and if i haven't the right answer he had made much more points with this volley drop shot style...

You're new here but you want you re-design rules on you on your own point of view. It doesn't make sense. Good bye.

all what i said to this match is based on ITST rules. you lie if you say that!
why don't you tell me an example when i do this?

[Belonger]

We are liar, Ahmed is unrealistic because he goes too often to the net for you, hosts don't reply quickly enough to you, etc... Why are you still here ? We don't deserve your presence, obviously...

[kopfnicker]

at ahmed-75000

you are first gay to send me in psn 'bad looser' shame of you

now you begin to flame and lose your respect!!!
i said "bad loser" yes. why should i shame?
it's no flaming ... it's the true!!! i have beat you.

you use lobs defense, you made ​​drop shot defense.

i made only 1 (!) short cross drop shot counter while you made a drop shot against me!!!
and that's allowed!

i only played lobs when you were in front of the net!!!
first: becker has not really the abilities to push nadal into trouble from baseline.
second: that's not my playing style!
third: when should i do this? ... the net was your home in this match.
for the future: please check up if it makes sense what you say when you want to lie...

yes I did drop shot but I made it short and voley long.

interesting...
your friend Belonger said

He doesn't use drop shot volleys with Becker but short slices volleys (with square button) which is allowed and no limited.

maybe you should agreed better with yourselfes?

[djarvik]

@kopfnicker - let me set this straight: Host is the GOD of the tournament, what he says - goes. You don't have to like his decision, but you do have to respect it and comply. If you have a problem with a host decision, contact one of our Management team members and make him aware, but be advised, host is GOD of the tournament, the decision will NOT be overturned. Instead, a Manager can look at it and advise the host his opinion.

I am not familiar with the situation, but from what I read this is a classic "he said, she said" case. Unless we have a video proof we have no way of sorting out who is lying. We can try to gauge it by your forum responses - but this will still not prove indefinitely who is lying. We do have a mechanism in place to track down lairs, us it:

- After the match report to the host via PM any behavior you deem unsportsmanlike or against the rules.

What happens then is that a report gets filed for that member. Once we collect enough reports we can see a trend developing, if someone is lying once - he will lie again. We can then take measures.