Control shots CONTROL the tour...

[BrushedBigJJ]

BrushedBigJJ has a masters degree...

Your statement would matter if I could only win against you with one coach, but I've won using 5 different coaches, nothing else needs to be said.

There actually is a way to detect control shots, but it would require almost everyone to change their character and it wouldn't work in the mss tour. If you forced everyone to create a player that grunted only on power shots. Under those conditions your ears could easily tell the difference between power shots and control shots. But I'm not so sure the rally count would go down.

Uniformity is not a solution.
But playing with similar characters would get ourselves closer to the reality, actually....

I think you completely misunderstood what I said. When you create a player you can either have them grunt or not grunt. If you choose for them to grunt, you can then choose in what situations they grunt. This does not effect how your player plays just when they grunt.

If you only make them grunt on power shots, then on control shots there would be no grunt and on power shots there would be a grunt. Under those conditions there is no question when a powershot is hit, and when a control shot is hit.

[ICEMAN_9588]

Are you sure it would work?
With that said, I'm gonna repeat what I've always thought. If a guy is better than me, he's gonna beat me anyway.
As well as if I'm better than User X, I'm gonna win him no matter what.

Besides, I think that control shots are part of the game. It's like you ban X button. The "presence" of control shots is clearly specified in the very beginning of the game, the practice court with the ball launcher.
I mean, this is not a secret or a tricky shot that a guy discovered by himself, it's something explained in the tutorial, like hitting flat/top spin/slice shots and serves.

Cause of that, to me, saying that a guy is amazing using advanced serve (like John Curveo) or inside-out forehand (like Violin), is the exact same thing of saying that a guy is amazing with control shots.

So if you want to talk about winning and losing, control shots ban doesn't change a thing.
If you want to talk about realism, I think you should ban all that things that make TS4 unrealistic, like percentage of first serve in, winners and unforced errors.
But these are all things you cannot ban, cause they came from practice and "natural" skills.

Just like control shots.

[BrushedBigJJ]

Are you sure it would work?
With that said, I'm gonna repeat what I've always thought. If a guy is better than me, he's gonna beat me anyway.
As well as if I'm better than User X, I'm gonna win him no matter what.

Besides, I think that control shots are part of the game. It's like you ban X button. The "presence" of control shots is clearly specified in the very beginning of the game, the practice court with the ball launcher.
I mean, this is not a secret or a tricky shot that a guy discovered by himself, it's something explained in the tutorial, like hitting flat/top spin/slice shots and serves.

Cause of that, to me, saying that a guy is amazing using advanced serve (like John Curveo) or inside-out forehand (like Violin), is the exact same thing of saying that a guy is amazing with control shots.

So if you want to talk about winning and losing, control shots ban doesn't change a thing.
If you want to talk about realism, I think you should ban all that things that make TS4 unrealistic, like percentage of first serve in, winners and unforced errors.
But these are all things you cannot ban, cause they came from practice and "natural" skills.

Just like control shots.

All I talked about was being able to detect control shots from power shots. I didn't talk about someone being better than someone else, I didn't talk about what I think of control shots, I didn't talk about banning any shots, I didn't talk about how realistic top spin 4 is...etc. I just said this would be a way to easily tell the difference between control shots and power shots...that's it.

[DennieFR1908]

BTW it's to bad you had your eyes closed in our match, I didn't use R1 serve one single time

As far as i can read myself, i didn't say anything about that. But ure right, i had my eyes closed and u got destroyed, hope next time ill have my eyes open, perhaps u don't win even a game.

Well you said you think it is cheesier to use R1 serve then it is to wide serve all the time, it reminded me of what you said in a pm after our match where you "destroyed" me (Congratulations with that bro!.. ) where you said the same thing, I still had this on my mind about that matter since I didn't even use R1 that match. And as for not closing your eyes the next match, I'll make sure I have played the game in the previous 2 month's next time we'll play than..

[ICEMAN_9588]

All I talked about was being able to detect control shots from power shots. I didn't talk about someone being better than someone else, I didn't talk about what I think of control shots, I didn't talk about banning any shots, I didn't talk about how realistic top spin 4 is...etc. I just said this would be a way to easily tell the difference between control shots and power shots...that's it.

And what comes later?

[JohnCurveo]

Well you said you think it is cheesier to use R1 serve then it is to wide serve all the time, it reminded me of what you said in a pm after our match where you "destroyed" me (Congratulations with that bro!.. ) where you said the same thing, I still had this on my mind about that matter since I didn't even use R1 that match. And as for not closing your eyes the next match, I'll make sure I have played the game in the previous 2 month's next time we'll play than..

I was not talking about our match, i was talking u defending R1 serve in another thread and then insulting (literally) me because u say i serve always wide. But i'm tired of you and Obskur, i don't care, but u people are not as fair as others, and u can't determine what is cheesy and what is not. We have diferent prespectives, and no one is god to determine if someone is cheesy or it isn't. I have arguemtns like you. If i always serve wide, then move your player wider or do the same, but i don't, u know it. I will not say anything. I apologized a lot of times with opponents because call someone "cheesy" is very subjective. But i never called someone "Your style is pathetic" (you) or "i have no respect to people who plays cheesy" (Obskur). That's too much. As long we can respect each other opinions and keep playing, the tour is okay. U can play whatever you want vs me. I think i play as fair as i think fair is, just like you.

I think top spin 4 is cheesy. Probably i should go to Tennis Elbow.

[Ali-Iqb93]

About Obskur I think he likes nobody's playing style.. He only like those playstyles which he can counter easily.. I m tired of his this attitude "you don't play like real tennis" , "your volleys are not like real tennis" And these are obskur's favourite limes "you play unreal, i have no respect" , "i try to enjoy game like real tennis, and you play unreal" blah blah.. I mean c'mon no video game can be like real tennis so stop complaining about other's playstyle (provided they play within the rules). I mean every player uses some tactics for his benefit. Obskur himself keeps exploiting short crosses and outwide serve all match but he never thinks that this is unreal but when someone move forward to return his moonballs top spins with power volleys then according to Obskur that is unreal.. Ever since Obskur has started to win more matches he's behaving no better than sh0case

[C4iLL]

Why don't you play Tennis Elbow ? Such a better community, always joking on chat, commenting ATP matches in live, with a very faire, rich and balanced competition. This is the best game to see who is the best in tennis game I think because it require plenty skills : tactical intelligence, technical, concentration, creativity etc. TS4, on the contrary, it's just about technique today, and this thread is another illustration of this unfortunately...

[ICEMAN_9588]

Why don't you play Tennis Elbow ? Such a better community, always joking on chat, commenting ATP matches in live, with a very faire, rich and balanced competition. This is the best game to see who is the best in tennis game I think because it require plenty skills : tactical intelligence, technical, concentration, creativity etc. TS4, on the contrary, it's just about technique today, and this thread is another illustration of this unfortunately...

So, if you want to talk about realism, TS4 is not the game for you. Maybe TE is, but I don't usually play it and by the way, I still didn't understand why people have to say "TS4 sucks, start playing TE 2011" when you could definitely play both without any problem.
I mean, like it's a matter of life and death...

And that's what I was talking about...

[C4iLL]

Yep sorry I didn't see your message, you're right in a way. But it's hard to play both games because the speed is so different, you're really disturbed when you switch from one to another game.

[ICEMAN_9588]

Yep sorry I didn't see your message, you're right in a way. But it's hard to play both games because the speed is so different, you're really disturbed when you switch from one to another game.

That's why it could be funny.
I have TE 2011 on my pc, but I've never tried to play, I don't even know how to play LOL but I don't like using keyboard,so I'm not interested for now.

[Elargento]

let's hope ts5 changes this style of play. i don't think control shots were a correct addition to the gameplay.

[ICEMAN_9588]

All the parts of TS4 are "realistic", overall.
The big difference is the frequency.

You can see Raonic or Isner serve 220-230 kmh in the corners. What you unlikely will see is they play with 80-85% of first serves in.

You can see Federer hitting the ball standing on the baseline and make some point hitting the ball just after it bounced on the ground, like a demi-volè from the baseline. What you won't see is Federer doing these points all the time.

You can see Nadal getting on every shot. What you won't see is Nadal never making an unforced (ok, this is pretty much close to the reality, actually ).

You can see Tsonga hitting a powerful forehand on the run, and win the point thanks to that. What you won't see is Tsonga getting no unforced every time he hits a running-powerful forehand, and winning the point thanks to that.

It's all about relativity.

[djarvik]

All the parts of TS4 are "realistic"

That HAS GOT to be the quote of the year, no century!

[ICEMAN_9588]

All the parts of TS4 are "realistic"

That HAS GOT to be the quote of the year, no century!

You can nominate my ENTIRE post if you want.
Assuming that you've read it all, of course...