TS4 Cheese Statement (Fair Play at the ITST)

[Tamthewasp]

If you had to keep one letter from the alphabet - which one?

If I had 2 keep just 1 letter I think I would keep E

[ICEMAN_9588]

Is there in the forum a specific post I can read ALL of these shots/tactics that are considered cheesy?
Or I must read 17 pages of this topic?

I ask it because I've been accused to be cheesy cause of playing too much dropshots (?), even as defensive shots.
So I would like to understand what's considered cheesy and what's not, instead of discovering it play by play...

Thanks.

[ELTXETXU]

Every shot that exploits the game's failures, being used like a part of an strategy to make the win easier, is considered cheesy.

For example: its considered cheesy to serve from the tramline, to serve constantly outwide farther from the middle of the court, return with lobs or with dropshots, make defensive lobs or dropshots, abuse of dropshots, make a dropshots when your opponent is at the net etc...

The problem is that some of this shots (serve from corner) are absolutely forbiden, but others are allowed (dropshots) and only are considered cheesy when you use it in certain moments. There arent a list of cheesy tactics. Obviously when someone use a dropshot or a lob in every rally is cheesy. Defensive dropshots were a normal tactic for some players when Whelch was allowed, and it was very unfair. You could make incredibles dropshots in any circunstances. Actually no one uses defensive dropshots.

The idea is to play real. If you see a tennis match you can see that no player makes more than 2 dropshots or lobs per game (for example). Its dificult for me to explain in english. Hope you understand me!!

[ICEMAN_9588]

No no you've been very clear, also because I think the same way.
In fact, normally I don't use this shots in WT too (except maybe for hit a dropshot when my opponent played a stop volley), so I understand it.

I asked this question cause in my second (against you) and third ITST matches, my opponent said "No, you can't do this" refering to serving from the middle and not near the half-court line, and to hit too much dropshots, even as defensive shots (yes I did, I'm guilty ).
But I didn't read about these shots in the first post of the topic, so I didn't know they were considered cheesy shots.

So I asked another user to explain more about this, and he told me almost everything of what can be or not be done.
And speaking about this, drop shots volleys are allowed? I mean stop volleys, or whatever you want to call them (R2 + "square" button, to make it clear).

PS Thank you by the way.

[mrzflv09]

ITST Member:

As you may or may not know, "cheesy" is a term used to describe a style of play that most players consider to be unfair. The style takes advantage of the games limitations, making it completely unrealistic compared to real life tennis. I will list some examples at the end of this post to clarify this.

The main point is, cheesy tactics are used in an attempt to gain a cheap and easy win. The ITST is a place where like-minded players get together and compete. It is a safe place where our members play fairly. We are all here to enjoy the structure the ITST provides and to enjoy the friendly community that has been established here for many years. If we do not ask our members to abstain from using certain tactics our tour will offer no advantage over the World Tour.

We have always resisted the temptation to place restrictions on the type of shot(s) that can be played during ITST matches. We've done this to allow a variety of playing styles to be present on the tour so everyone can enjoy the game to its fullest.

That said, there are universal "unwritten" rules concerning "cheesy" play. We've never had to make firm rules because the ITST community respects their existence. They involve playing fairly and not using the known "cheesy" tactics that lessen this game. With the release of Top Spin 4 we have seen a big number of new players emerging. This is putting pressure on our core values and understanding of these “unwritten” rules within the community.

We are proud to say that the majority of our community (including many of the new players) already follows this ethos closely, but if you are someone who doesn't, consider yourself warned: "cheesy" play in ITST matches is never tolerated.

If you are uncertain whether your style of play is considered "cheesy", then simply ask the question in the Forum, or contact an ITST manager.

Also, if you encounter tactics in an ITST match that you consider "cheesy", don't keep it to yourself. Contact the tournament host and/or manager immediately. Only by speaking up can we rid the tour of any and all unfair play. Only by virtue of your feedback can we identify and relate to these tactics.

Below is a list of tactics that are considered cheesy by a majority of the community. This list is by far not complete. Listing everything is just not doable nor would we be able to foresee every cheesy tactic that emerges. This means that we could warn players about other tactics as well. The ITST management will use its best judgment to determine what is considered cheesy and what is not, as it has been doing for years with great success.

The List:

Continuously playing drop shots or drop volleys. This tactic seems to be used a lot in futures and challengers lately. Especially new and fair players should not have such a first experience with ITST. Saying that you have to use this tactic because it is a coach skill is not an excuse. You can still play to the strength of your coach by occasionally using the drop shot. We can’t say what too many drop shots are unfortunately. Try keeping it realistic. When you have pushed back your opponent in a rally it is the perfect moment to hit a drop shot. If you want to know what is realistic, try watching some real life tennis matches, note when and how often drop shots are used.

Using the return glitch. There is a return possible where the server has no option other than to run backwards after this return. We see this as a glitch that should not be exploited at any time.

Tramline serves. Moving your player out wide for serving is considered cheesy and should not be done. Throughout the match, your player also moves towards the forehand side. It is a good practice to move your player one step back to the middle of the court at least once a set, or whenever you notice he has moved towards the tramlines.

Regards,

The ITST Team

P.S. Please understand, this post is not a discussion, rather an announcement and show of intent. We are here to lookout for the best interest of ITST as a community and organization. Make an attempt to look past the "game" title on the box and try to understand what makes the sport Tennis fun for so many fans around the world!

Good morning!
Sorry, it would be possible to have the list translated into Italian? The translators available online are a tremendous confusion on the more technical terms and I, as I said in another post, I do not know English.
Excuse the ignorance, but at school (a long time ago ...: D) I studied French ...

[Painted Crystal]

ITST Member:

As you may or may not know, "cheesy" is a term used to describe a style of play that most players consider to be unfair. The style takes advantage of the games limitations, making it completely unrealistic compared to real life tennis. I will list some examples at the end of this post to clarify this.

The main point is, cheesy tactics are used in an attempt to gain a cheap and easy win. The ITST is a place where like-minded players get together and compete. It is a safe place where our members play fairly. We are all here to enjoy the structure the ITST provides and to enjoy the friendly community that has been established here for many years. If we do not ask our members to abstain from using certain tactics our tour will offer no advantage over the World Tour.

We have always resisted the temptation to place restrictions on the type of shot(s) that can be played during ITST matches. We've done this to allow a variety of playing styles to be present on the tour so everyone can enjoy the game to its fullest.

That said, there are universal "unwritten" rules concerning "cheesy" play. We've never had to make firm rules because the ITST community respects their existence. They involve playing fairly and not using the known "cheesy" tactics that lessen this game. With the release of Top Spin 4 we have seen a big number of new players emerging. This is putting pressure on our core values and understanding of these “unwritten” rules within the community.

We are proud to say that the majority of our community (including many of the new players) already follows this ethos closely, but if you are someone who doesn't, consider yourself warned: "cheesy" play in ITST matches is never tolerated.

If you are uncertain whether your style of play is considered "cheesy", then simply ask the question in the Forum, or contact an ITST manager.

Also, if you encounter tactics in an ITST match that you consider "cheesy", don't keep it to yourself. Contact the tournament host and/or manager immediately. Only by speaking up can we rid the tour of any and all unfair play. Only by virtue of your feedback can we identify and relate to these tactics.

Below is a list of tactics that are considered cheesy by a majority of the community. This list is by far not complete. Listing everything is just not doable nor would we be able to foresee every cheesy tactic that emerges. This means that we could warn players about other tactics as well. The ITST management will use its best judgment to determine what is considered cheesy and what is not, as it has been doing for years with great success.

The List:

Continuously playing drop shots or drop volleys. This tactic seems to be used a lot in futures and challengers lately. Especially new and fair players should not have such a first experience with ITST. Saying that you have to use this tactic because it is a coach skill is not an excuse. You can still play to the strength of your coach by occasionally using the drop shot. We can’t say what too many drop shots are unfortunately. Try keeping it realistic. When you have pushed back your opponent in a rally it is the perfect moment to hit a drop shot. If you want to know what is realistic, try watching some real life tennis matches, note when and how often drop shots are used.

Using the return glitch. There is a return possible where the server has no option other than to run backwards after this return. We see this as a glitch that should not be exploited at any time.

Tramline serves. Moving your player out wide for serving is considered cheesy and should not be done. Throughout the match, your player also moves towards the forehand side. It is a good practice to move your player one step back to the middle of the court at least once a set, or whenever you notice he has moved towards the tramlines.

Regards,

The ITST Team

P.S. Please understand, this post is not a discussion, rather an announcement and show of intent. We are here to lookout for the best interest of ITST as a community and organization. Make an attempt to look past the "game" title on the box and try to understand what makes the sport Tennis fun for so many fans around the world!

Good morning!
Sorry, it would be possible to have the list translated into Italian? The translators available online are a tremendous confusion on the more technical terms and I, as I said in another post, I do not know English.
Excuse the ignorance, but at school (a long time ago ...: D) I studied French ...

Poche e semplici regole

1. Evita troppi drop shot e troppe drop volley
2. Non servire dall'estremo del campo ma dal centro o da 1 o 2 passi dal centro
3. Non usare il glitch quando rispondi al servizio (sempre che tu sappia che esiste un glitch)
4. Immagino tu sappia quali sono gli allenatori bannati e le regole sugli stat dei giocatori, se non le sai chiedi e ti dico

Ciao

Marco

[mrzflv09]

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Poche e semplici regole

1. Evita troppi drop shot e troppe drop volley
2. Non servire dall'estremo del campo ma dal centro o da 1 o 2 passi dal centro
3. Non usare il glitch quando rispondi al servizio (sempre che tu sappia che esiste un glitch)
4. Immagino tu sappia quali sono gli allenatori bannati e le regole sugli stat dei giocatori, se non le sai chiedi e ti dico

Ciao

Marco

Grazie Marco,
mi scuso con tutti per questo piccolo scambio in italiano, ma:
1) se uso il drop shot (intendiamo la palla corta giusto?) quando il mio avversario è distante dalla rete è cheesy?
2) per il servizio ok
3) non so cosa sia un glitch (e non riesco a trovarne spiegazione, intendo riferito a TS4..)
4) si ho letto il regolamento e gli allenatori non ammessi (anche se, per estrema chiarezza, se tu mi traducessi le skill in italiano sarebbe meglio.. il traduttore non me li rende molto chiari)
Poiche sto imparando ora, non vorrei fare mie tattiche considerate scorrette poi qui.
Grazie ancora e un saluto a tutti!!!

[ICEMAN_9588]

Le abilità bannate sono "difesa mostruosa" e "colpo di grazia".
Cmq io ho tradotto in italiano il regolamento, se vuoi ti mando un pm con il testo

[mrzflv09]

Le abilità bannate sono "difesa mostruosa" e "colpo di grazia".
Cmq io ho tradotto in italiano il regolamento, se vuoi ti mando un pm con il testo

magari grazie, e se ci abbinassi pure qualsiasi consiglio tu ritenessi necessario, sarebbe sicuramente ben accetto!!!

[ICEMAN_9588]

Fatto

[Nico Swiss]

Heya guys

I think i've already written that, but i can't find my post aymore. Anyway I've got a question, 3 of the last 4 matches i playes I had opponents who used only x-serves. Is that allowed? Because that's something i find annoying as hell and i don't know what to do against that eccept maybe sometimes moonballs/Y-returns...