The death of topsin n the rise of TE...

[Ali-Iqb93]

One more point. Tennis elbow tour includes players from both ps3 and xbox tour which are individual tours in themselves for top spin series. So for now tennis elbow tour will obviously have more players than top spin 4 tour. It feels like people are leaving Top spin 4 alongwith ITST. Anyhow I agree that tennis elbow seems like great game and also top spin 4 tour is on it's decline.

[C4iLL]

1) TE is far older than TS4, so the decline of TS4 is not due to its "age", it's because it sux.
2) This topic is a huge troll and everybody falls in.
3) I tried to promote the TE tour on Xbox & PS3 forums and I've been censured by the management, so it's really not because of them that the TS4 tour is dying.
4) The TE tour is gonna be the final explanation for all the best tennis online players :
- there are the best players from the original Tennis elbow tour (which was runned on the official Tennis elbow tour for like 5 years) : Voja, Kyuji, Fox, MichaelD, Spencercarlos
- the best players from TS3 : Djarvik, Norberto
- some top10 from TS4 Xbox : Robbin, Indiantonike, me
- some top 10 from TS4 PS3 : Firderis, Integritytiger.
Fifa Tee & Sh0case should have started too but they don't come as they fear ; a lot of other guys are planning to begin it soon as well.

In my opinion, the TE tour is gonna be the main tour of ITST for years because it will soon be the substitution to the managames tour of TE, which is played by like hundreds players each week since years ^^
If there are "just" 41 players on the last M1000, it's because 5% of the TE community knows the website and the concept...

[JohnCurveo]

Compare TS4 and TE is... TE is a good tennis games, but c'mon. Is an "amateur game". The aim of each games are way different. In this forum people say TS3 is better than TS4, but in gaming world all ratings say TS4 is better than TS3.

n my opinion, the TE tour is gonna be the main tour of ITST for years because it will soon be the substitution to the managames tour of TE, which is played by like hundreds players each week since years ^^

You're wrong, they will have millions of players, they say more than CoD. C4ill, when u talk about TE, youre little bit annoying.

Top Spin 4 is way better game than TE.

Saying this, all my respect to TE developers. It must be hard to create and maintain TE.

[eliomelma]

Saying this, all my respect to TE developers. It must be hard to create and maintain TE.

What? In what parameter Top spin is better than Te? One exists?
P.s. I played in all top spin games.

Would my opinion? As a friend of mine said, after seeing a TE match and after a Top Spin 4 match, "seems that in top spin there are jumping monkeys"...that's all!

[Indiantonike]

Compare TS4 and TE is... TE is a good tennis games, but c'mon. Is an "amateur game". The aim of each games are way different. In this forum people say TS3 is better than TS4, but in gaming world all ratings say TS4 is better than TS3.

n my opinion, the TE tour is gonna be the main tour of ITST for years because it will soon be the substitution to the managames tour of TE, which is played by like hundreds players each week since years ^^

You're wrong, they will have millions of players, they say more than CoD. C4ill, when u talk about TE, youre little bit annoying.

Top Spin 4 is way better game than TE.

Saying this, all my respect to TE developers. It must be hard to create and maintain TE.

Have you ever played more than a week to TE ?

If you did, you could see which game is better between "an amateur game" and an arcade game ...

[VMoe86]

Top Spin 4 is way better game than TE.

[JohnCurveo]

If they develop a game like that would be a completly fiasco. The target of both games are different.
I can't see people saying: Yeah, NBA 2k6 is better than NBA2K13 because of gameplay. TE is an "amateur game", u have no pressure, u can make what u want. U have to pay any license?
And yes, i played TE, great gameplay, that's all.

[eliomelma]

U say u played all top spins, that's fine. I spend my life testing games, it's my work.

Your work, excuse me but if this is your work , your answer seems to come from an amateur, a baby that never played a game and doesn't admit the evidence. Talk about license, ok if this is a parameter to give to a Game a great value, so i prefer Te without license and great gameplay
P.s. You are in this work? Don't think that top spin is played from more people than Call of duty as you say, that's sure! Who is a bit expert of Games know that last CoD is played from more 6 million online session. This is another thing that seems that you are not so expert as you say .

[JohnCurveo]

Shit Elio, why you copy paste i talk to much I don't care what u say, i know what i do for living. The main problem is my english is shit. So discussing is rare. Calm down, no need to attack saying im a boy.

a baby that never played a game and doesn't admit the evidence.

I played almost every game since 12 years.

You are in this work? Don't think that top spin is played from more people than Call of duty as you say, that's sure! Who is a bit expert of Games know that last CoD is played from more 6 million online session. This is another thing that seems that you are not so expert as you say .

I didn't say that.

But m8, im not fighting against you or TE players, i have a lot of respect, im just saying what i think, u think TE is better than TS4, congrats, i think not. I dont understand what's wrong with TE being an amateur game. I am wrong? TS4 and TE are from different leagues, that's pretty obvius.

[Ali-Iqb93]

I m on this with John. Gameplay of TE maybe better, sounds maybe better, player animations maybe better and it maybe a great game but at the end it is still an amateur game. I m just waiting for ts5 now

[ELTXETXU]

I only have played TE for 15 days, and i have to admit that the gameplay is awesome. As you said jhon TE is an amateur game but even so, it is by far more realistic, balanced, etc, etc than TS4. 2K and EASports should be ashamed. The only thing that is better in TS4 or GST2 is the animations/graphics.

In theory TS4 is a simulation tennis game (this is the diference with VT), but i don't know where is the simulation in a tennis game where its absolutely impossible to miss a shot, even on porpouse. Its a joke. In ts4 you can make winners hitting too late or too soon, sometimes the ball goes out or to the net with good timing... Its absolutly random. Make mistakes and risk shots is a very important part of tennis. Thats is the reason why i consider that TS3 and of course TE is a better SIM game than TS4.

[eliomelma]

Shit Elio, why you copy paste i talk to much I don't care what u say, i know what i do for living. The main problem is my english is shit. So discussing is rare. Calm down, no need to attack saying im a boy.

a baby that never played a game and doesn't admit the evidence.

I played almost every game since 12 years.

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John, don't understand me, my English is not so good, it sucks , so i didn't want to seem aggressive, excuse me for that, i mentioned "baby" because from your argumentation seemed to speak to a child who wants to be always right and does not see the reality, not in offensive way NOt that you are not expert in games

[eliomelma]

I only have played TE for 15 days, and i have to admit that the gameplay is awesome. As you said jhon TE is an amateur game but even so, it is by far more realistic, balanced, etc, etc than TS4. 2K and EASports should be ashamed. The only thing that is better in TS4 or GST2 is the animations/graphics.

In theory TS4 is a simulation tennis game (this is the diference with VT), but i don't know where is the simulation in a tennis game where its absolutely impossible to miss a shot, even on porpouse. Its a joke. In ts4 you can make winners hitting too late or too soon, sometimes the ball goes out or to the net with good timing... Its absolutly random. Make mistakes and risk shots is a very important part of tennis. Thats is the reason why i consider that TS3 and of course TE is a better SIM game than TS4.

perfect! what i wanted to say!

[C4iLL]

@John : It's sad for you that you don't get what is TE about so let me try to explain in simple words how TS4 sux regarding what TE is.

1) First thing : watch a real tennis match for like 10 minutes on youtube (Fed vs Djoko or things like that).
Afterwards, play TE for 10 minutes. Afterwards launch TS4.
You will see in 20 minutes, how TE represents the best the current tennis and how TS4 is slow and unrealistic. Even if the graphisms are not Splendid, at the end, TE looks far more exciting than TS4 because of that.

If you want my opinion, TS4 represents the tennis played in the 70-80's in terms of speed. Why did they do that ? Maybe because of the audience, the casual gamers who can't deal with fast exchanges because it can put too more pressure on them...

2) I loved TS4, I'm serious, I was playing it since its launch in like march 2011. And I played every ITST tournaments since that until Wimbledon 2012, except US Open 2011 (unfortunately.. because I had the level required to win that tournament).

But TS4 is completely automatic, too scripted, you have no freedom at all and not a full control of your balls. It's just about pushing buttons in the right tempo.

At the end, in TS4, you :
- never make fault because it's automatic
- mostly tap a button whereas in real life, Tennis is all about preparing a shot, and release the arm (which is present in TS4 with the powershot but they have been made completely useless with the September 2011 update)
- rare possibilities of ace and rare double fauts.
- completely boring exchanges which all look the same (80% cross court to end a point...).
- very little tactical sense (I talked with Firderis, Tigerinfinity, they totally agree on that and they got better results than the PS3 Tour that you will ever have) as it's all about cross shots and wrong foot.
- there are no variety in style : everyone play control shots and top spin...
- and to conclude, the most important thing : there is no risk management. You can't put the ball where you REALLY want (script, script script as in Call of Duty, surely your FPS reference regarding the fact you talked about it ?).

In comparaison in TE you :
- make faults as in real life
- have a large extent of successfull style and even larger extent of tactical choices (you can make people do faults by catching all their balls, lowering their staminas and spamming for instance, top spin ball on Fed BH which has a malus on Top Spin balls ; you can also be a 1-2 shots guy ; you can be a successfull SV, you can be a pure counter, a monster in serve with low stamina etc..).

This tactical thing is where TE completely crushes TS4 in fact : because some guys always try to hit lines, take full risk, while other don't do that. You really manage your risk ! It's the huge difference !
In TS4 there's nothing like that and that's why the score are always 6-0, a guy crushing another because he masters better the mechanism and the hierarchy always stays the same !

Sometimes in TE, the best players can loose against others because someone can be in fire and everything will be "in" (it's like the match Tsonga vs Nadal in Semi-final of Australia there are several years, he won 6-1 6-2 6-2 something like that, by playing an unreal tennis, everything on lines !).

Just look at the results of the recent tournaments : so many matches in 5 sets, or 3 sets conluded, the tour is really unbelievable because of that.

When you say it's an amateur game, yes it is, but as it has been developed for now maybe 12 continuous years, he is completely crushing games like TS4 (or worse, Gran Slam tennis) which have been developed in 1 year and a half and which contain a lot of mistakes and unrealistic things.

Fifa has taken 10 years to be at such a level of realism... TE as well : in 2009-2010 it began to be a great tennis game. As Fifa, it's now not far from perfection

[JohnCurveo]

C4ill, with all my respect, i repeat myself, i think your annoying as hell.

Fifa has taken 10 years to be at such a level of realism... TE as well : in 2009-2010 it began to be a great tennis game. As Fifa, it's now not far from perfection

This just defines why im discussing. Comparing Fifa with TE. I have nothing more to say. Just... laugh.
U say Fifa is almost perfection. But with your terms (anything but gameplay), ISS for the N64 is the best football game ever created.

I never said TE is not realistic, also the opposite, i said "great gameplay". What i said is Top Spin is better game. Is an arcade-sim game, so? Realistic doesn't mean better. If i want to play with my friends, u think i will play TE? I should recommend to people that never played a tennis game TS4 or TE? and the most important question, u think a completly realistic tennis game is fun to play? For who? Top spin with TE gameplay would be a completly disaster for 2K. TE is an "amateur game", created to satisfy some people. Top Spin is a game created by one of the most important company of the world of gaming to satisfy a way more big target. They are not on the same league.


"they totally agree on that and they got better results than the PS3 Tour that you will ever have", im playing itst since 5 months and they played almost 1 and a half year. But...if they are better, doesn't mean nothing. No need to talk about me when ure defending TE.

watch a real tennis match for like 10 minutes on youtube (Fed vs Djoko or things like that).

I prefer to see tennis live, like on Basel final of 2009, 2010, 2011 and perhaps 2012.

What irritates me is over-exagerating with TE. But ok, Tennis Elbow is better game than TS4. Im tired of talking about this. Not gonna say anything else.