Still Agassi & Nadal

by **VectorPL** » Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:03

Top Spin 4 is fantastic game, really great simulator, i love this game... but... If someone plays the game the unplaydible bug players ( Nadal & Agassi ) the pleasure of the game loses any sense.
I played top spin 4 from the beginning, and really i suggest these two players banned.
What do you thinkin tennisfans?

by **LeapedCastle04** » Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:08

You are not the first to request a ban on these two players......and i think you are right. Agassi and Nadal are comparable to Welch and should therefore be banned. But i'm afraid that if the're banned we're only going to see Federer's in pro tournaments....

by **Ali-Iqb93** » Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:10

Agassi is even strong enough to beat created players

by **VectorPL** » Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:12

I played always Djokovic, this is normal player 0-bugshot ( crosses, return, and ofcourse speed in rallys like Agassi/Nadal )

by **ICEMAN_9588** » Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:55

LeapedCastle04 wrote:You are not the first to request a ban on these two players......and i think you are right. Agassi and Nadal are comparable to Welch and should therefore be banned. But i'm afraid that if the're banned we're only going to see Federer's in pro tournaments....

There are also Djokovic, Murray and Davydenko that are good picks.
And if you like more aggressive players, even Becker is not so bad.

Anyway I would not ban Agassi and Nadal. As I always say, it's not a matter of setup, but it's a matter of personal confidence. I played guys whit Agassi/Nadal that literally sucked.
Yes, when you face a guy that's capable to capitalize Agassi's and Nadal's skills it's really hard to compete with him.

But if he can play that good, credits to him, I think.
It's easier reach a good level with Agassi and Nadal? Absolutely right. It's cheesy? Not in my opinion.

by **Sorauze** » Sun, 14 Oct 2012 15:08

Airton111 and ohters choose nadal or Agassi for win it's simple !

by **Airton111** » Sun, 14 Oct 2012 15:36

I choose Rafael Nadal because I like to play with a left-handed. My ms and ws players are left-handed. You can choose Rafael Nadal but you dont choose because you cant dominate him, not all the players can dominate Nadal.

by **Corbon** » Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:40

Ali-Iqb93 wrote:Agassi is even strong enough to beat created players

I always got the impression that Agassi is stronger than 0-2-18 Welch (same wings with 3-1 but Agassi has more and better skills).

Is Sampras competitive?

by **Daxter1975** » Wed, 17 Oct 2012 07:22

Idea:

When Nadal and Agassi are very strong, than it´s a chance for a fair game....
What, when the TOP 15 in the World do not use this players (or the 5 best Pro-Players like Federer, Murray, Borg)
Only Players over 16 can use the overpowered Players.

So, i think it´s fantastic when a Big Player like Sho or Fifa only can use Players like Lendl, Chang, Blake, Rafter or Wawrinka and not so good Players can use Nadal, Agassi, Joker or Federer.

(the most games are closer, but the good Players will win, too)

by **ICEMAN_9588** » Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:24

I don't know if it could be a good idea. Ranking is not always the only criterion to evaluate a player.

by **ICEMAN_9588** » Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:26

Corbon wrote:
Ali-Iqb93 wrote:Agassi is even strong enough to beat created players

I always got the impression that Agassi is stronger than 0-2-18 Welch (same wings with 3-1 but Agassi has more and better skills).

Is Sampras competitive?

The point is always the same. Sampras is competitive if you can use it.
Once I played a match on 2K Open, I was using Djokovic, faced a guy with Sampras, and it was a close match (but I can't remember the final score).

Same thing with Becker.

by **BrushedBigJJ** » Wed, 17 Oct 2012 16:35

Nadal has forced me to not use courier anymore. I thought I could keep up, but I learned it's almost impossible to ever get him off balance, which meant I had no chance of winning even if I played better. The way I used courier I could match up against Aggasi. But I use to use djokivic/Murray, but they can't match up against Aggasi at all, not really against nadal either. So, because I refuse to use nadal or Aggasi, but I want a character that can match up against them, that leaves like 3 or so characters to choose from. Currently I use Borg. I don't think you can ban them though, mss can only survive so long without them because many people like to use them.

by **SupremeLoren** » Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:12

For me agassi´s resturn is overpowered. When i play against agassi and my opponent isnt clear, he can do 15 or 20 winners with him return eassily.

It´s the same if you serve to centre or to right and left. The same if you use A/X serve or if you use B/O or X/ square serve. The same if you serve with stick or serve with the buttons. If your opponent want to win the point he can do an infernal return like if agassi would be roddick at serve.

I have had matchs against agassi which decided in the tie break because agassi won me all my serves and i won all him serves. That is frustrating, unrealistic and ridicoulous. And when it happens it was because your opponent isnt clear, in my opinion.

by **straightcash05** » Sun, 04 Nov 2012 04:14

Alilqb93 thinks my normal and control slice returns with Agassi are power slice returns (thus the FH ones would be illegal if that's what I was using). He was using Becker, who has a big powerful serve. Ali, who also uses Rabary hits all of his flat serves as hard as he can and this is the main serve he uses, along with the slice serve outwide on 2nd serves from the deuce court. Anyways, the point is that you don't get enough time on return to hit power shots against ANY serve of 115 or better, which all of his flat serves were, and his slice serves sweep way out so I used control slice returns against those.

He thinks that ALL of my slice returns were power slice returns, which is beyond an ignorant assumption when you know you serve hard on most of your serves. Agassi has high wings (his FH in particular is a 91), 80 in reflexes and Diesel Hard Return. So obviously all of his returns will be harder than normal ones. I told him all of this and he just says "You're a liar, I know you did, I came prepared and filmed the match." He didn't even address any of the points I made. Well, post the video Ali, show me these power FH slice returns I hit against your 115 and up hard serves.

I'm posting this here so that other people who have played with Agassi can attest to his hard returning with just normal or control shots. If anyone thinks I'm wrong, I'm willing to test this both ways to show you that you don't get enough time to use power returns against hard Becker serves.

by **JohnCurveo** » Sun, 04 Nov 2012 09:57

I told him all of this and he just says "You're a liar, I know you did, I came prepared and filmed the match."

"you did lobs you did lobs on returning! cheesy cheesy! not top spin shots, there were lobs! you made 2 straight drop shots! 2! 2 drop shots! cheesy cheesy! Janowicz is cheesy cheesy, everything is cheesy cheesy!"

:lol: