Permanent Lobs against S&V at ITST

[BrushedBigJJ]

I have a question for you daxter. When you get to the net are you playing 10-20 ball rallies with your opponent? Or is it bang, bang, bang...point over. When I watch pro tennis when people are at net they hit 1 and sometimes 2 volleys, but rarely is it 3 and above.

It's hard to tell people you can't lob when the net player creates these constant 15 ball rallies and no where in the 15 ball rallies can a lob be used.

[Daxter1975]

I hope that i can Serve & Volley & Point. Ralleys over 4-5 Shots are really rare. But.... the Secret against S&V Players is not a long ralley when he´s at the net, it´s to play so good that you can pass me. I lost many games here, without lobs. So it´s only a question of the quality from my opponent to get passed.

The Return is (in my opinion) the main shot. If he is very good, i have many problems to win the point.

But it´s my opinion that i can´t play Drop Shots when i know i can´t win from baseline, so i also can´t play many lobs when i know i can´t break the S&V Player.

!!!! Not forgetting: It´s unbelievable hard to break a Baseliner as S&V Player. Nearly impossible. Look at my Results. And when i become Problems to win my service due to Lobs, so it´s totaly unfair, i think !!!!!

Or i can play Drop Shots and run to the Net. Than it´s fair!!!

[Daxter1975]

Lobs at ITST are Bullshit.

I lost 7:6,6:7,4:6.

Why?

After first set, at the big points my opponent plays lobs.

Lobs are NOT to Return against good Players!!!!! So you can´t win a game!!!!!!!!!

Please forbid this. No one will play S&V else.....

Or allow Drop Shots; No-Power Service, Volley Drop Shots or Outside Services. Thats are cheesy, too.....

I ask... is here nobody from the ITST Team, who plays S&V and knows the Problems? It´s a joke, that so overpowered shots are allowed....

[ICEMAN_9588]

But do you mean lobs when the opponent is at the net?
Why should forbid them? In real tennis it's a frequent shot against a S&V player (we can't see lobs often now cause players don't go to the net frequently).

[Daxter1975]

In real Tennis a Lob is very hard to play and needs perfect timing and skill. In TS4 every Noob can play perfect lobs. Thats the difference...

[Rob ITST]

In real Tennis a Lob is very hard to play and needs perfect timing and skill.

You could say that about almost every shot in the game. How many people can hit 130mph serves? Or hit winning drop volleys off of 80mph passing shots?

[Daxter1975]

But the Frequence can not be a Fact for Shots.

i mean... i see more Drop Shots as Lobs in real tennis.

Here at ITST (for a fair play) we have to kill all cheesy Shots:
- Drop-Shots
- Volley Drop-Shots
- Soft Services
- Lobs
- Outside Services

All are forbidden, whitout Lobs!!!

And win against S&V is possible without Lobs. I lost many games here whitout Lobs. But it´s a question of the skill.
What i say... when i can´t win against good players, i don´t use Drop Shots to win. But when a baseliner has problems with a S&V, he plays Lobs and laugh..... that´s not fair...

[ICEMAN_9588]

Yes but if a baseliner does S&V, it's just his problem I thing.

You want to talk about make this game as real as possible, but it's not banning some kind of REAL shots you're gonna make it.
And when you have a 42 volley, it's not easy at all to make a stop volley against a huge passing shots.

Apart from all of that, Top Spin 4 is not very convenient and appropriate for S&V, I think. It's not so realistic, I give you that.

PS Drop shots volley (R2 + square button) are forbidden? Are you sure? Other users told me not. It will be stupid, they are a frequent shot in real tennis, and if I'm good doing that, why should it be cheesy?

[Daxter1975]

No, i speak from a S&V Player. Not from 42er Volley-Baseliner.

When you MUST win your points at the net, and than getting one lob after another, its frustrating.

[ICEMAN_9588]

I understand, for sure. But it's also part of the game.

And I repeat, TS4 isn't very suitable for S&V playing, when i began playing in WT I used to have a good volley (about 60-65 points), but it wasn't enough, so I changed my style.

I'm not saying you should do the same thing, but you have to adapt yourself. For example you should stay not sto close to the net after you hit a volley.

[Daxter1975]

1. It´s very hard to win a ralley when you NOT stay near at the net
2. it´s part of the game? Mmhhh, Drop Shots are also Part of the game. Why are they forbidden???
3. today lugaciao destroys me easy 3:6,0:6. Whitout Lobs. It´s a question of skill!!!!

[ICEMAN_9588]

1. It´s very hard to win a ralley when you NOT stay near at the net
2. it´s part of the game? Mmhhh, Drop Shots are also Part of the game. Why are they forbidden???
3. today lugaciao destroys me easy 3:6,0:6. Whitout Lobs. It´s a question of skill!!!!

1. I know, but if you have a S&V setup you will be uncomfortable at the baseline.
2. Ah don't ask me. I would let users make all the dropshot they want. But by the way they are not forbidden, their abuse is.
3. Another think I agree with, I'm against banned coaches and banned setups, I think it's all a matter of skills.
But I was just answering your question specifically, just trying to tell you how I would play at the net or against a S&V player.

[C4iLL]

It's insane hox Daxter exatly what I said from October 2011 to february - march 2012. Look like Daxter is the new C4iLL, fighting against everybody ^^

At the end I've stopped TS4 for Tennis Elbow,and that wasn't a bad decision regarding the fact that there are now more active players on Tennis Elbow than on both PS3 and Xbox tour of TS4 (cf. Shanghai masters)^^

[DennieFR1908]

1. It´s very hard to win a ralley when you NOT stay near at the net
2. it´s part of the game? Mmhhh, Drop Shots are also Part of the game. Why are they forbidden???
3. today lugaciao destroys me easy 3:6,0:6. Whitout Lobs. It´s a question of skill!!!!

I fully agree with your point about Drop shots though. It doesn't make any sense why drop shots would be forbidden and lobs don't. Drop shots are used when ppl are playing beyond baseline, lobs are the exact opposite. Same principle. I think it's a matter of 97% of the ppl being baseliners, so you will mostly see complainments about drop shots and the 3% who plays S&V are ignored because not many ppl complain about lob shots. BTW it's funny how ppl complain about DS anyway. Some ppl seem to think it's actually forbidden to play DS at all. IMO it's a way to give a static game like TS4 some more variation so I will always keep playing them. Beside it isn't even that easy to score points with DS they are very well defendable.

[Daxter1975]

Nice Story...

I played against Sorauze... he wins only with Lobs at the Breaks. And i become a XBox-Mail from him with a "Lobs lol" Message. Very nice & fair guy...

I don´t know.... to Break Baseliners with S&V is really hard or impossible against good Players. And with permanent Lobs at Big Points its also impossible to win a game.

Why (without Djarvik) didn´t say one other Host anything to this Problem?

Are all Baseliners or are S&V Players not asked for????

It´s really unbelievable that so many thinks are forbidden, but the only shot, who destroys S&V gaming is allowed....