Permanent Lobs against S&V at ITST

[Daxter1975]

I have a Question:

I try to play S&V. But i am very frustated. I played against a Player with 84/74 Wings, with Passing Shot Sniper and he Plays every Service Game 2-3 perfect timed Lobs.
Is this allowed at ITST?

I mean... a Volley Drop Shot and Normal Drop Shots are not allowed, because they are overpowered. Also Services from Outside.
Lobs are also Overpowered. And when a guy played 20,30,40 Lobs a Match, it´s not possible to win with S&V.

I think, if ITST will have a few S&V Players, a Lob-Rule must come, like Drop-Shots.

ITST Player C4ill say it right. It´s impossible to win against the TOP 10 because of unfair (my opinion) Lobs.

It´s very hard to break anyway and 1 Break against good Players loose the Set. And when you become 4 Perfect Lobs and loose your Service, it´s not acceptable, i think...

[jayb1988]

I think the whole game now since the last update does not bode well for S&V players, its just so easy to lob players at the net that people are going to exploit that. Really good S&V players are so difficult to pass with normal passing shots that sometimes it feels like the only option. I always use a lob as a last resort if I'm really struggling to get past a player at the net, but yeah I think 2 or 3 lobs per game is probably too much if thats what you're facing.

But in general though if you demand that rules be adjusted to stop a certain amount of lobs you have to say is that really fair? It is a weakness to exploit in the predictability of a S&V player, just like someone with a bad backhand can expect alot of shots that side during a match, its something you have to live with and the best players will exploit it.

I have to say that I generally don't like the S&V style, I feel like its very repetitive and sort of anti-tennis. Despite that my matches with you at least have been very enjoyable!

[Daxter1975]

yes, you are right. It´s not easy to play passing shots. but also it´s hard for us to break baseline players.

that´s even. but with lops the difficulty for s&v players go higher and higher and makes it impossible at least...

[C4iLL]

The only solution is to make some kind of direct prevention before each match with your opponent : personally I faced between 5 and 7 guys who always hit lobs, I talked with them, and the next match they didn't do that anymore.

The only guy who never stopped was BigBrush JJ, surely the most stupid guy playing on TS4 in the world. Unfortunately he's on ITST, too bad for you

ps : if you are tired of lobs, of exploit and globally of the boring mechanism of TS4, do like me, come on Tennis Elbow ; SV can be very efficient there, and things are more tactic, and balanced !

[BrushedBigJJ]

Daxter the 3rd patch seemed to make all control shots better and that includes control lobs. However of all the control shots the lob control shot is hardest to do when on the run, at least for me. Also no one has ever lobbed me at the net when I'm already pushing down before they hit the lob, I spike the ball away 90% of the time, the other 10% my player runs back and hits it. So if you either make sure your opponent is off balance or if you can anticipate the lob and press back before they hit the ball you won't have a lob problem.

Now if you do like C4ill and complain instead of anticipating then a lot of balls will go over your head. He doesn't ever anticipate the lob or get his opponents off balance. He quit ts4 because everyone was beating him not because he suddenly thought ts4 was unrealistic.

[Daxter1975]

I spike the ball away 90% of the time, the other 10% my player runs back and hits it.

Thats not possible i think!!!!!!!!

[BrushedBigJJ]

Daxter you took out the most important part of what I said.


"Also no one has ever lobbed me at the net when I'm already pushing down before they hit the lob"......."I spike the ball away 90% of the time, the other 10% my player runs back and hits it."


I guess it's also important to say I stay a step or two back from the net and don't hover all over it.

[Daxter1975]

Yes, but if you stay 1-2 steps from net, you can´t win against good players, because it´s unbelievable hard to point with a volley.....

[C4iLL]

Brushed Big talks as if he's the specialist of SV ; okay, then go ahead, play as a SV, and show us you can get into the top10. The problem is you can't even beat the top20 with a baseliner, so with a SV, I'm not sure you could win a match...

But thanks anyway for your so intelligent comments, they are well appreciated.

[djarvik]

With all due respect to everyone, you do not stay 1-2 steps from the net if you SV. In real life or in the game.

The SV supposed to work like this:

Big serve or precise serve followed by a mid court volley. At this point you need to make a decision, was your volley good enough? ...meaning the next shot your opponent will hit will be off-balance? ...off-balance from baseline or inside the court?

If this was a good deep volley that will force your opponent to run down and hit off balance - then I would take a step back. Likely he will attempt a lob or top spin reach shot that will pop up and maybe over your head. He cannot pass from this position, his pass will be short and will have little direction and power. That means you are either going to put away, smash the ball or you will have to hit a regular stroke of the weak pass.

I prefer deep volley to short volleys on the first volley. Yes, it may not result in immediate winner, but it gives me more time to observe my opponent and my shot and make a right decision for the next volley.

Short volleys are great too, but as a change up. (for me) I would hit one after I "teach" my opponent to anticipate the long volley. My reasoning is that IF the opponent gets to that short volley, a tap lob will go right over my head with little time for me to "see" the play and react. And if I will move back to cover it, I am open for a pass....and in this case, even a mediocre pass will work well, as the opponent is closer to me and I will have very little time to react.

Hovering 1-2 steps in front of the net DOES NOT WORK in real life or in this game. It is simply unrealistic and it should not work.

I get lobbed, but when I do, I know exactly why: Either my first volley was not good enough, leaving me mid court and making a gamble of either running all the way forward in hopes of a pass to put it away, or staying mid court and anticipating lob. And the reason I lose this point is because after I make that weak first volley, my opponent has all the time n the world to look at my positioning and make the correct choice of a pass or lob.


So my advice, work at that First Volley. This has been the key to success for SV game in real life and TS4. You cannot simply push that volley and run all the way to "1-2 steps close" to the net in hopes the opponent will feed the ball to you. If you do everything right - you dictating the play, the opponent has little choice and time to react.

[BrushedBigJJ]

The problem is you can't even beat the top20 with a baseliner, so with a SV, I'm not sure you could win a match...

At a glance i have around 8 wins over top 20 players in itst in ms, mss, and ws at this moment, as a baseliner. It would be nice it you made an intelligent comment every once in a while C4ill .


And I'm not at the net often, and I'm there even less because I served and volleyed. But when I'm up there very rarely do people lob over me where I never touch the ball, so my advice about guarding against lobs is sound. I didn't give any advice about how to serve and volley or hit a volley.


Djarvik, I'm a little confused about your advice. It almost sounds like you are saying you should be an inch away from the net before the opponent hits the ball. I was thinking more 1 or two steps away from the net(split step) and step up right as your opponent hits the ball when anticipating a passing shot.

[djarvik]

quite the opposite. I think you misread.

I was saying you do not stay as close as 1-2 steps away from the net.

[BrushedBigJJ]

Okay... So where is your ideal distance from the net right before your opponent hits the ball?

Although it is good to hear someone else say hovering over the net doesn't work.

[djarvik]

My ideal first volley is as close to net as possible. Usually it will be around the Service line. If it is before service line that it is because the opponent was able to dip the shot enough at my feet, in this case I would blame it on my serve. It was not good enough.

Of course there is a possibility that opponent guesses the serve right. In this case - good for him.

SV is Serve then Volley. These two shots need to be both good and executed well for SV to work. Otherwise the tactic breaks down and you end up hitting a weak stroke, digging up a volley after a good return or getting lobbed because you wanted to kill the volley with B and didn't give enough direction...or other things.

Bottom line is if you getting lobbed, then one of the two things required to be successful at SV failed: Serve or First Volley.

[Corbon]

So would you rather recommend the skill Amazing First Volley over Volley Shots Artist?