Murray v Federer.

[Samael]

Also crying also shows how much passion these guys put into the sport. They, just like every individual, are human beeings, not robots, Rob. What is man without tears?

[djarvik]

Dragos and Ali are pussies.

Mutant is a puss.

Get over it, stop defending the loser's tears. Win and cry a river, but lose and stay a man, stray hungry, angry, motivated. Crying and running to mommy is for 12 year old.

And Ali, I know all I need to know about dedication and putting all you have into something, trust me when I say this. I would never cry because I lost or something didn't go my way, this would only push me to try harder, make me angry, make want to prove everyone wrong. Crying would not even come to mind at that point, it is a reaction that is provoked in me by joy - not disappointment. Hell, even extreme pain can result in some tears, which fine, but sobbing into the microphone unable to complete sentences when you just got out played? Why the crying? Just say your opponent was better today, maybe make a dig/joke - "you won't be playing forever Fed, won't you?" Promise to comeback next year and make it all the way, say that you played your best aggressive tennis and you are on the right way.

Instead: "boo-hoo, you guys.....you guys are special,...I have no presure boohoo.....mauwaahhh!....mommy" -runs of the court.



Please

[Vieira151]

I dunno. It's hard to replicate the situation he is in. I mean, the pressure on Murray to win Wimbledon, or any Grand Slam, is rediculous by the home crowd. The British media make him out to be the Jesus of British Tennis and that all our hopes rest on him to win us a Grand Slam. I'm pretty sure some of the tears were shed due to the feeling he may have disappointed the entirety of the country.

Also, while I agree his mum should be brutally mutilated, I don't see what she has to do with any of this. She wasn't on court when Murray was interviewed by Sue Barked, god save him, so she has no real part in this, unless you want to include the part that she was also crying buckets.
Murray posted an article on BBC saying that while the rest of his team went out to celebrate (I'm assuming his mum is part of this) he just stayed back to think about recent events.

And just because he has cried doesn't mean he won't be determined to bounce back and become better. It's all an "in the moment" sort of thing.

[VMoe86]

Just say your opponent was better today, maybe make a dig/joke - "you won't be playing forever Fed, won't you?" Promise to comeback next year and make it all the way, say that you played your best aggressive tennis and you are on the right way.

The first words he said were "I'm getting closer.", then he was talking and joking about Federer's age, that he wasn't bad for a 30 year old.

Yes, he shed some tears when the crowd cheered for him during the speech, all of the top 4 have after losing important matches for them: I don't have to remind anyone of the Australian Open 2009 ("God, it's killing me!"), Olympics SF 2008 (Djokovic going off the court with tears in his eyes) or Nadal crying in the locker room (not publically, what a puss ) after losing the Wimbledon 2007 final.

[djarvik]

Mom was just a reference. When kids cry they usually run to mommy. Was not a dig at his mom, although it should have been.

He didn't let anyone down. He lost to a player playing better then him, while himself playing as good as ever. It is absurd to think he "let someone down" as it implying that he should have won, which is the furthest from truth. He "could have" made they country proud, but he didn't. Certainly didn't "let everyone down". He didn't lose playing pusher tennis to Gulbis in the final right?

That is why I say what I say. His state of mind, of being entitled to win? Letting anyone down? ehhh? Did you expect to win Andy? Just shows where his head is at. He is a kid that was shown a candy but not given it to lick. That was his reaction. Again, he was not shedding tears, he had trouble to talk - AFTER LOSING!


And if you take Lendl away, the history actually says the opposite. A loss like that can mean he will never recover, he is no man of steel like Lendl was. Last man to cry after loss at Wimby was Roddick, he didn't sob, he was able to talk just fine - but his career was done....and it was a more dramatic match, by far. Murray cried like this was his last chance...maybe it was.

[djarvik]

Just say your opponent was better today, maybe make a dig/joke - "you won't be playing forever Fed, won't you?" Promise to comeback next year and make it all the way, say that you played your best aggressive tennis and you are on the right way.

The first words he said were "I'm getting closer.", then he was talking and joking about Federer's age, that he wasn't bad for a 30 year old.

Yes, he shed some tears when the crowd cheered for him during the speech, all of the top 4 have after losing important matches for them: I don't have to remind anyone of the Australian Open 2009 ("God, it's killing me!"), Olympics SF 2008 (Djokovic going off the court with tears in his eyes) or Nadal crying in the locker room (not publically, what a puss ) after losing the Wimbledon 2007 final.

...and he should have ended with that. There was no need to say anything else while sobbing.


Fed, Nadal - pussies!

Honestly though, I do think Fed is a bit of puss. Rafa is different. He can do anything he wants in private, being able to contain yourself in public is what makes him a man. Fed? His tears of joy overshadow the tears of sorrow.

[VMoe86]

...and he should have ended with that. There was no need to say anything else while sobbing.

Maybe he will do so the next time he loses a Major final.

Honestly though, I do think Fed is a bit of puss. Rafa is different. He can do anything he wants in private, being able to contain yourself in public is what makes him a man. Fed? His tears of joy overshadow the tears of sorrow.

You are putting different values on different emotions: Nadal does not hold back all emotions after a loss (no one looks more pissed off after a loss, he barely can look into his opponent's eyes after losing a match ) in public, only tears.

I agree, though, the loser should just congratulate his opponent and move on.

By the way, no one accepts losses better than Djokovic since 2010, in that regard he is a prime example for all tennis players. His winning celebrations on the other hand...

[Ali-Iqb93]

Sure people djarvik is always right

[djarvik]

Yes VMoe86, I agree, I sympathize more with Rafa being angry then Murray sobbing. That is for sure. Same about the Djokovic, he does great, both after a win and a loss. I don't like the guy, but gotta give it to him.


Ali-Iqb93, who are "people"? Are you playing to the crowd by pointing out that I don't agree with you and putting a after? You need backup? "People"?

It's a discussion thread man. When you agree with me (a lot actually) you say - "oh! looky here! we agreed! that never happens!"

Its getting old. Either discuss/argue or don't. No need to make me out to be something you made up in your head. This is a tennis gaming forum, something I know really well, so chances are I will be right majority of time. Ask me something about wolverines or atoms...I can promise not to respond.

[Vieira151]

He didn't let anyone down. He lost to a player playing better then him, while himself playing as good as ever. It is absurd to think he "let someone down" as it implying that he should have won, which is the furthest from truth. He "could have" made they country proud, but he didn't. Certainly didn't "let everyone down". He didn't lose playing pusher tennis to Gulbis in the final right?

That is why I say what I say. His state of mind, of being entitled to win? Letting anyone down? ehhh? Did you expect to win Andy? Just shows where his head is at. He is a kid that was shown a candy but not given it to lick. That was his reaction. Again, he was not shedding tears, he had trouble to talk - AFTER LOSING!

I don't disagree that Federer was better. And I certainly don;t think he deserved to win. But that doesn't mean the other millions of delusional British people who never watch tennis besides 2 weeks of Wimbledon share those views.

And know, I don't think he feels entitled to win. He just feels disappointed to lose having tried his best. Maybe he felt disappointment or anger at his inability to do better in certain situations during the match. I dunno. I just feel it is natural to let out what he did.

And well, if I lost to Federer I would have trouble to talk. I wouldn't know what to say. To be honest, all this does is remind me of the AO2010 when Andy said afterwards "I can cry like Roger, it's just a shame I can't play like him".

[djarvik]

"I can cry like Roger, it's just a shame I can't play like him".

Well yeah, I am sure the pressure of this whole country played a role, all the news papers, channels. They practically handed him the win. Roger is 30 blah blah.....

I just hope for his sake, that he gets really angry and channels that anger the right way. Disappointment is not something you want to have when you have a few good years of your career ahead.

He played a great match, attacking tennis. He maybe should have taken a bit of the first serve to make more of them in, otherwise - not much better he could have played.

[VMoe86]

Yes VMoe86, I agree, I sympathize more with Rafa being angry then Murray sobbing. That is for sure. Same about the Djokovic, he does great, both after a win and a loss. I don't like the guy, but gotta give it to him.

Djokovic after a win? Sometimes he goes over the top with his animalistic reactions, don't like some of them.

Ali-Iqb93, who are "people"? Are you playing to the crowd by pointing out that I don't agree with you and putting a after? You need backup? "People"?

Probably a dig at me, because I agreed with you.

He played a great match, attacking tennis. He maybe should have taken a bit of the first serve to make more of them in, otherwise - not much better he could have played.

Second set he served at around 70%, still lost the set (on the other hand Federer somehow gifted him the first set, especially the first game and then at 4-4 with errors). But third and fourth set both under 50%, simply not enough. It also seemed to me that Murray ran out of gas.

If he can reach the level he had in the second set more frequently (and sustain it) he will get more and better chances at a Major (although he lost that set).

[Vieira151]

Yeah. It's been like that all his career. "Oh, this guy is good enough to win a Grand Slam! Will he be the first Brit in 8 gazillion years to win one? Huh? Oh you bet he will be! The entire population of this **** island is rooting for you Andy! Don't you dare disappoint us!"

Yeah, I want that as well. I hope he uses these experiences to get better. I still feel he can get better. Not sure in which way besides mentally, but I know he can.

And I agree. I thought he played pretty well, with the exception of a few games or points where he had chances and didn't take them. (That 19 minute game in Set 3. Andy was 40-0 up at the start of that on Serve... and at 15-30 on Federer's serve in the last set he hit a passing shot a couple of inches long). It may not have won him the match but it would have made it closer and certainly more interesting in the end.

Not that I don't think Federer didn't deserve it. He played awesome, and well I predicted he would win at the start of the year. So. :3

[djarvik]

It also seemed to me that Murray ran out of gas.

I noticed this as well. He was winning a good amount of points by reaching that extra ball, shrinking the court. That was gone towards the end of the match. Maybe a change of tactic at that point is in order, instead of defending on the run, he should have went for more, an all or nothing shot. He did that a few times on the forehand, but mostly when he is reaching for the ball he was "thinking" lob or a "push". Making a few winners on the run would have served him good.

Not sure in which way besides mentally, but I know he can.

Second serve. By far his biggest weakness. His placement and variety is lacking there. His defense allows him to get away with this, but improving it will save him tons of energy for the "right" time. Other then that, it is all tactics with him. He has beautiful backhand, but he is not using it to the fullest. More down the line!

[Corbon]

After he lost the 3rd set it never looked like he could turn this around.