Lower ranked player beats Higher rank = CHEESY,SCAM,CHEAT!!!

[fij and chibz]

LOWER RANKED PLAYERS CAN BEAT YOU. DONT CALL ME A CHEAT, CHEESY OR A SCAMMER BECAUSE I OUT PLAYED YOU.
I THOROUGHLY ENJOYED THE MATCH BECAUSE IT WAS SO DIFFICULT AND I HAVENT PLAYED THAT WELL IN A LONG TIME, BUT YOUR CRAPPY 'SORE LOSER' ATTITUDE HAS ANNOYED ME.
LOBBING SOMEONE WHO SERVES AND VOLLEYS IS NOT CHEESY WHEN YOU DO IT IN MODERATION LIKE I DID. YOU ARE MAKING IT OUT LIKE I LOBBED EVERY POINT WHICH IS JUST RIDICULOUS AS THE SCORE WOULD HAVE BEEN 60 60. I DID COUNTLESS RETURN WINNERS ON YOUR SERVE, I OUT PLAYED YOU AT THE NET AND MY SERVE WAS TOO SOLID, JUST BECAUSE OUR FIRST MATCH I PLAYED CRAP DOESNT MEAN I ALWAYS PLAY LIKE THAT. GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON, PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE REASON PEOPLE STOP PLAYING ITST, WIN SOMEONE HIGH RANKED = GETTING CALLED A CHEAT, CHEESY, UNFAIR. ITS PATHETIC.
I feel absolutely ridiculous even writing this but for gods sake can't people just accept a loss? It's not the end of the world, you train more and get ready for the next tournament.

[C4iLL]

Calm down dude, as you said, it's just a game, so first, don't write in maj.

Secondly I don't think it's an appropriate place to talk about that. Or at least, you should create a topic named "is it fair to play something like 10-15 lobs in less than a set against a SV ?"

My opinion : it's unfair. It's as cheesy as dropshots are against baseliners.
No more than 4-5 lobs could be played during a set against a SV.
And that's CLEARLY NOT what you did on the second set of our second match.

During the first match you lost, you were fair, playing several appropriate lobs, no problem. First set of second match too (which you lost).
Then you began to play in a stupid way, assume. By the way, you have the win : a lot of people played against me as you did, and they never got a WO.

By the way I enjoyed playing against you in the first match, and first set of second match because you were one of the rare people that didn't abuse of lobs (I told myself "wow, finally there are people that accept the challenge to play a SV without spamming lobs.."). Too bad you change, just to get a victory against a "higher ranked".

[fij and chibz]

No, you attitude stinks and you cannot accept losing. I played fair like I do in every single match, hence why I don't always win. I cannot stand people who play cheesy.
After the first match you sent messages like GG really hard match! but then as I started playing more intense and better shots and angles you couldn't handle it, I out played you and you didnt like it.
You are making it out as if i played non stop lobs, do you not think I would have won you a lot easier if this was the case?
I never played a single lob in the 3rd set and I still won it 6-2. Your accusations are ridiculous and you need to accept the fact that you can lose to someone who plays better than you

[Fifa Tee]

Dont worry man C4ill says im a cheat too!

http://www.intertopspintour.net/forum/v ... hp?t=16423

[fij and chibz]

Dont worry man C4ill says im a cheat too!

http://www.intertopspintour.net/forum/v ... hp?t=16423

Haha cool. Surely if i was gonna cheese or scam (lol) I would have done it in Rome instead of a 250 event?

Also you won 69/97 points at the net, which means 28 possible lobs.. which we both know wasn't the case as I had some pretty good angles

[Kevin732006]

Sorry but Jonathan is not a cheat or cheesy player. He is a very good player and can adapt to play better. And lobs against a S&V should NOT have a specific # of tries since thats ALL U guys do is rush the net and try to end it on 3 strokes!!!! All right I'm done my rant continue ....

[Tamthewasp]

I've noticed when Cahill loses that the opponent has cheated. If ypu Serve and volley expect 2 get lobbed.

Xbox at it again

[Hugo Chavez]

ah nice to see this topic, cus he was saying this same thing to me too. that i spammed lobs, and i only did like 4-5 lobs in situations that a passing shot is not possible anymore... and i asked a mod and he said that lobbing isnt cheesy..

[Rob ITST]

IMO, lobs are not cheesy when your opponent is at net - ever. It quite simple really: if you are getting lobbed, you are standing to close. This is the balancing act you must do when you S&V - stand close when you anticipate a pass, back up when you anticipate a lob.

Also, if you think you have to stand close to hit good volleys, then you need to hit better serves. If you have to guess, you are not being effective enough with your serves and approach shots.

As far as being unrealistic.... well, expecting to win matches by S&V is pretty unrealistic in today's game. Bottom line is that S&V is a very difficult way to play, so if you choose to play that way then you must accept that.

[wdob1985]

I've had some great friendly matches against fij lately so can say he's not
A cheat.sounds like he just played the smarter better tennis.

[BluudyEEfingaz]

Sorry but Jonathan is not a cheat or cheesy player. He is a very good player and can adapt to play better. And lobs against a S&V should NOT have a specific # of tries since thats ALL U guys do is rush the net and try to end it on 3 strokes!!!! All right I'm done my rant continue ....

You're right he is good. I can't see how he returns so well on clay. He is one of the few players I still play friendlies with.

[jayb1988]

I've played loads of matches against this guy and not once have I ever though he's cheating, about an honest a player as you can get.

Personally I cant stand S&V players, its not tennis, its coming into the net and bashing buttons quickly for people that can't handle the intensity of a baseline really.

Having a S&V set up since the update doesnt make sense as I think it is now much easier to hit lob winners than it was previously, so people are going to exploit that and they should do because often the only way to win a point after against a S&V player after hitting about 20 low shots to no effect is to lob, what else can you expect people to do, keep hitting it at you until they lose the point?

[C4iLL]

Okay people, you want to say bullshits in team ? Fine, I gonna take time to answer to all your comments.
And please, don't take time to answer : I won't read what you'll write and so won't bring any answer to them, as my time is limited for people with chronic bad faith and stupidity (edit : I don't include, jayb, Rob, Bluddy, wdob..)

Before beginning, I remind you that I loose a lot of matches and I'm complaining about approximately less than 10% of them.

I'm then really far from being a sore looser and the admin team know it.

I accept defeat when they are honnest : but unfortunately, these "fair" defeats are recently more and more rare... And I often get tricked.
One time, I even get a WO because my opponent admitted what he did...

The problem is clear : some people here, can't indeed accept to loose against a SV so they start spamming lobs to take the advantage. I won't establish a list because it's not the point, but they will recognize themselves. Some people have also stopped that practice, it's nice to notice it (Bluddy for instance).

Why would I hit a passing-shot that the opponent would easily catch when I could hit an easier winner lob instead ? Because of sportsmanship ? You're kidding, what is that ???

Now let's show your good faith and intelligence are actually as low as the points you put in Volley Skills.


@Ik : During our match, I had to stop playing to send you a message on the Xbox Live to make you stop spamming lobs (and you actually stopped).
It's the first time I had to do that in 1 year ! The second time was today against your dutch friend Fij and Chibz...

You perfectly know you used too much lobs during our match, so why are you talking here ? Just to give credits to your friend, what's the point ?
Why would have I complained and stop playing for just 4-5 lobs ? Are you serious ?

Fifa Tee, Bkristian, Berson, LokiSharpShooter etc played approximately that number of lobs by set against me, beat me and I never complain any second about their strategy... Because they play them with intelligence and realism !

You and your dutch friend have to take example of your mate Robbin a guy that has beat me by the past, and who has always played fair.

@Kevin732006 : You're nice to defend your friend Jonathan, but it's useless. I already said he was nice and not cheesy during 4 sets out of 5 sets.
He was loosing 3 sets in a row, was surely bored to face a "wall brick" as he told me in PM on the live, and began to cheese.

About SV, you say it's normal to lob them as much as you want. The problem is that lobs are totally unbalanced since the last update.
Even the 300th ranked player could lob the n°1 by pressing y EVERYWHERE on the court.

Even when you anticipated them, the balls are often unreachable, there's no counter at all.
And if you get back more to anticipate them, you let the net completely open, so it's a free passing shot for the opponent.

As I said, playing a lob against a SV is as playing a dropshot against a baseliner and all the people who say the contrary just don't know what they are talking about. Go and try to play at the net, loose some points because of lobs, you will be as frustrated as if you lost a point with a dropshot.

Too much dropshots = cheesy ; Too much lobs = cheesy ! .

@ Tamthewasp : I notice two things about you.
1) You talk a lot but you don't do anything.
2) When something stupid is written on this forum, it's strange but, 90% of the time the nickname "Tamthewasp" appears just next the stupid comment. Is it a coincidence or not ? I've my opinion.

@Jayb : Going at the net is not Tennis ? Edberg, McEncore were not playing tennis ?

You say that a point cannot be finished against a good SV. That's totally wrong.
If you don't finish the points without a lob, it's just because you're not as good as you think.
You should either accept the defeat or train more.

People like Fifa, Sh0case (even without glitch), ILoveBill, Supermassy, Berson, Lokisharpshooter (better player I ever faced) always beat me without playing a lot of lobs. Recently, a guy like Insomnesiac beat me without playing a single lob. Lucagiaco beat me several times too without lobs, I never complain : these guys can be proud of them.

They were just better and amazing. They were able to break my anticipation and my placement.

If you use a lot of lobs it's just because you can't produce great angles, or because you are too much predictable.
And by frustration and willingness to compensate you use these easy lobs to get an easy victory.
If winning like that make you proud, fine. That's not my conception of sport. And not the conception of the majority of the top players here.

@Wdob-Bluddy etc : I never said he cheat ; I just say he played unfair 1 set of 5, that's all.

@Rob : It's your opinion, but I clearly don't agree.
Lobs are completely overpowered today in this version of TS4, a lot of people admit it.
In comparaison with other tennis games, other versions of TS4, and reality, it's just an exploit that make the SV not funny to play with on a competiion tour.

Before this update, lobs were balanced : sometimes they worked, but they required a precise placement timing etc. In a word : T.A.L.E.N.T.
Now even the worst beginner can lob me despite my experience at the net...

@Fifa : your case and this one are absolutely different. Here we don't talk about glitch, we talk about cheesy behavior. Do you understand that concept ? Is too difficult for your little head ?
Anyway, it seems you still want to talk annnoooottttherrrrr time about that old story ? Ok let's go.

What is funny about that video, is that you think it proves EVERYTHING : that you are fair, and me the bad paranoid. I'm sorry but this is not the reality man.

I pointed out the most strangely points ever recorded in the history of TS4. Points that could have only be executed with glitch activated.
The excuse (the sniper-shot skill) is just a pure joke.

So it's not because nobody actually check the precise points I pointed out, that you're innocent and you have never played with the glitch.
If we are so numerous to think you and your binome FifaCase are glitchers, it's not for nothing : we played the game for more than a year and know it very well.

At least, you have the "benefit of the doubt" so take it and stay quiet because don't forget this : you're really not appreciated here.

Stop talking about things that have no links between each other, just to create confusion and learn the difference between Cheat and Cheesy Behavior because it seems you have some trouble to make distinction between two different concepts. It's annoying for your future success in life.

[Kevin732006]

If U think that cause U S&V that U except a certain amount of lobs is kinda ridik;(

[jayb1988]

@Jayb : Going at the net is not Tennis ? Edberg, McEncore were not playing tennis ?

You say that a point cannot be finished against a good SV. That's totally wrong.
If you don't finish the points without a lob, it's just because you're not as good as you think.
You should either accept the defeat or train more.

People like Fifa, Sh0case (even without glitch), ILoveBill, Supermassy, Berson, Lokisharpshooter (better player I ever faced) always beat me without playing a lot of lobs. Recently, a guy like Insomnesiac beat me without playing a single lob. Lucagiaco beat me several times too without lobs, I never complain : these guys can be proud of them.

They were just better and amazing. They were able to break my anticipation and my placement.

If you use a lot of lobs it's just because you can't produce great angles, or because you are too much predictable.
And by frustration and willingness to compensate you use these easy lobs to get an easy victory.
If winning like that make you proud, fine. That's not my conception of sport. And not the conception of the majority of the top players here.

Sorry I think I could have worded what I said better and it was not really aimed at you in particular but S&V players in general. I don't think you can compare real tennis S&V with this game, in real tennis volleying is a genuine skill which varied up matches but is unfortunately dying, on Top Spin it literally does consist of repetitive button bashing play. But this is just my opinion, like how some might think me sticking rigidly to the baseline is repetitive and boring.

I didn't mean that I always play lobs to win points against S&V players, I'm always aware to minimise how many I actually do and resist temptation against the better players to lob, usually I can win without needing to lob although it becomes a frustrating struggle.

I'm pretty sure we had a great match recently where I narrowly won in tie-breaks 7-6 7-6, so I'm not saying the style can't lead to great matches and I'm pretty sure we both played fair that day. It's just that you must see how lobbing a player is tempting with a fully empty court behind you every time you come to the net, there will be alot of players who don't think about sportsmanship in these situations.