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[djarvik]

No. Equals the Serve in TS4 is never a weapon, at any ratting other then absolute maximum and with serve skills included. Even then, I personally never had problems with big serves.

I think Federer is rather good in TS4. That is if you know how to utilize that Inside out skill. He is definitely not as easy to use as Nadal or Agassi.

[Tamthewasp]

Don't let Al bully you Ali

[Ali-Iqb93]

No. Equals the Serve in TS4 is never a weapon, at any ratting other then absolute maximum and with serve skills included. Even then, I personally never had problems with big serves.

I think Federer is rather good in TS4. That is if you know how to utilize that Inside out skill. He is definitely not as easy to use as Nadal or Agassi.

I disagree on that serve thing.. Serve is a weapon for sure in ts4 if you are good at aiming even with a normal setup.. and I m not talking about 98/98.. I ve been able to hit 10-12 aces in each match against good players in itst matches not with 98-98 or 100 power service but with my normal rabari guy that people here use.. Even against fifa-tee as far as I remember I served 7-8 aces in the whole match.. Soo yea serve is a weapon at least for me If not for you and others..

[djarvik]

You sure Fifa didn't just go and get a drink, pickup a phone call, take a dump or something?

....and zero powered serve aces don't count.

I am not saying it is totally useless (the serve), but is is certainly not a weapon. I dont care how good of a server you are, there is no way you can cruse through matches on your serve alone if you don't have the 98/98 type of setup.

[Ali-Iqb93]

Yep I m sure.. It's not only fifa-tee but most of the other guys as well like zooloo, firderis, fabada, r-leefly, lvilolnl, murmeltier, Dennie at some stage but now Dennie anticipates my serves very well.. And I m not using a extreme setup like 98/98.. Guess I could get even more aces with 98/98.. And btw it was my serve that was helping me against FIFA-tee that helped me hold on my serve in second set against him. And yea I don't execute zps in any of my matches

[Tamthewasp]

Ali your Serve is 1 of the better Serves here. Having that 1 point in SnV helps but I would h8 2 C wat you would do with a babb.

[Ali-Iqb93]

Plus saying I m not bragging that I m a very good server. Just using this thing as an explanation to tell that service helps alot if you are good at it.. Or I don't know if its my controller that helps me lol

[Ali-Iqb93]

Ali your Serve is 1 of the better Serves here. Having that 1 point in SnV helps but I would h8 2 C wat you would do with a babb.

Lol yea and rodger7 is one of best servers that I ve seen in ts4 and he is not using 98/98 or any of the other extreme setups.. Even I remember somewhere Likos said that rodger7 is great at serving.. He keeps hitting aces like 1-2 in each of his service games

[djarvik]

Well, it is what it is. I just never had a feeling of a serve being my weapon. Sure you can surprise with a few aces, but hardly impose with them.

I think the placement and variation is just too limited compare to other games. Check out serving in TE2011. I think they got it better then any other game so far. You really feel in control with the serve - by/via the serve.

To me, most of the aces in TS4 comes from the returner attempting to over-anticipate or making a mistake of choosing direction (the wrong one before the serve is fired. If one was to chose to not give up aces no matter what - it is rather easy, trouble is that most of the returns wont have enough bite and you will start in a defensive position. You can work your way from there and still win the point.

It just never feels like a 66+ serve is weapon. It should be, as it is in orange category. Personally, I think the lower the better until you get to 90s. Then you start to feel the heft of that serve. But even then, without the proper skills it's meh.

You using Rabbari right? So it is really not only your serve which is what? 78+84 power. It is really your next shot that creates the point for you. So most people returning against you cannot rely on simply placing the ball in the court and starting from defensive positions. With Instant Rocket you can pretty much guarantee yourself a point. So your opponents must try and put something extra on that return, which requires a good position, Hence a bit of a gamble and opening for you to score aces.

Not a bad thing.... but take away that IR and your aces will go away as well. It would be easier to win a rally against you by simply pushing the ball rather deep and let you have that first shot - then counter it,.

Anyway, just saying that the Serve mechanics is kinda lame in TS4 compare to other games. My opinion - dont get upset or threatened.

[Tamthewasp]

Yeah playing Rodger7 expect 2 gey aced all the time. If he picks Roddick he will be very hard 2 break serve. Hits the outside of the lines with ease. But hey thats part of the game.
I agree that serve could be so much better but it's not and returning is way 2 easy with pros return winners in almost evry game.

I yhink Wawrinka is a great player in ts4 highly under rated would suit you Ali

[Ali-Iqb93]

I yhink Wawrinka is a great player in ts4 highly under rated would suit you Ali

Yea I need to try some pros.. I chose djokovic and I already hate his serve animation

[Ary1g]

I'm very glad to see that the surface has a lot to it in TS4.

Played Doluprane again today. First we played a 1-set at UsOpen where I won 6-4.

Then we played a 3-set match on grass. I played a terrible first set(really terrible), which he won 1-6. After that I found form and won the 2nd and 3rd set 6-3. Very close match though. 1h and 5 mins or something.

Very glad to see that Fed has the upper hand on hard court, whilst Nadal rules the clay. On grass, it feel very even matched. Which is sure to bring some real epic matches at wimbledon! All in all, I think it's going to be very interesting in the tournaments after the clay season!

I have changed my mind about the clay tournaments. I will try Madrid too. I had a little revelation on the court today, which I'm going to build upon until Madrid. Got to do better than a 1-6 0-5 defeat... :/

[Tamthewasp]

I've just had probably 1 of the greatest and toughest matches in my career. And yes it was with PROS. I'm shocked at this.

Borg(moi) vs Nadal(doluprane)

First of the only cheese was my zps but I backed off after serve and let doluprane have the point, so with that out the way lets get on2 the match.

Nadals holds serve easy to go 1-0 then I take it too 3-1 but then Nadal steps it up winning 6 in a row leaving me wondering if there is anything I can do to beat this guy.
2nd set
After going 1-0 down my tactic changed and I attacked the BH more with deep power topspins this was succesful for a while, I wont 9 points in a row 2 go 3-1 up but then from nowhere Nadal hits another gear 2 go 5-3 up reaching shots only the baby Jesus could get 2. Then 2 matchpoints down I dig deep. When all looked lost Borg saved 2 match points then dropped 3 points in the remaing matches in the set. The tide was changing at this point but Borg looked 2 have no energy left at the end of the set.

[Tamthewasp]

3rd set
Nadal quickly capitalised on a fatigued Borg by steam rolling in2 a 4-1 lead. Borg breaks Nadal 4-2. Nadal breaks Borg. Nadal is now serving for the match Borg breaks to love. Momentum is shifting as Borg swiftly goes 6-5 up. Nadal is looking up 2 the gods for inspiration. Nadal being a true fighting champion hits some excellent shots 2 take it 2 a tie breaker.
Tie breaker.
Nadal goes 4-0 not giving Borg an inch. An exchange of points and its 5-3 Borg has some Fight left. 6-4 Nadal. Borgs saves another match point and now has his serve back.
Poor serve from Borg Nadal is all over it. Nadal winner down the line.

Great great match Doluprane

P.S I can't upload the match stats. So if some1 will let me email them the photo and upload it for me that would be awesome.

[Doluprane]

For me too it was one of the toughest match i ever did !!
i knew already that borg could be very difficult to play on clay surface, i played with Zguen many times using Nadal and Zguen using Borg and it was always tough matchs...
Congrats to Tamthewasp for the intensity all match long, i was really tired after, lol, and for one time i was pretty all the time on the perfect timing during this match but what Likos said is is true, Nadal and Agassi have really an edge on others pro players.
Anyway for me too it was one of the best matchs i ever did !