Rule Test Tournament 2012

[Ary1g]

All shots, skill or not, with R1 are better. They are more precise and more powerful. The skill makes them even better. Same as inside out shots, they are already more powerful by default, but the skill makes even more powerful. Take a guy with roughly 65-70 stroke and around 50 in power. Hit a few fully powered forehands, listen to the sound and look at the velocity of the ball. Now repeat the same while holding Inside out button..... it is rather clear. Same goes for R1 shots. They are "heavier", meaning they are harder to return. Just like the skill says, only it works without of the skill too.

Same goes for R1 serves. They are made slightly harder to return to compensate for SV guys.

So anyone using R1 on serve can't really complain if others using R1 mid rally.

And Ary, sorry, but the video you show and you argument totally fails. No9t sure if I asked you, but do you play tennis (real life)?

99% of the tour telegraphs their SV serves. It is very visible by their toss and in most case even the motion itself. I am not even touching on other tell-tell signs that 99% of individuals do when they serve.

There is nothing wrong if your opponent sees you are going to SV. If you serve well, he wont have time to react anyway and will likely be holding a Slice button by the time you toss the ball. If you are not a great server - I can see how it can come in handy to full your opponent, you know basically he is "reading" you, so you say - "hey, I will use R1 all the time..." Kinda lame.

But hey, this is just my opinion.....do what you like, it is not forbidden at all.

I play real tennis yes However,in TS4, the S&V modifier doesn't change the service motion a little. The whole serve motion is different. The whole body moves differently. It's not just foot placement that's different... or small tell signs in the characters face.. There are 3 different serve motions in TS4. Two regular motions and S&V modifier. You are blind if you can't differ them. Even if you have the Slice button pre-pressed, you can direct it short and force a drop shot or a bad shot, so it's not at all difficult to counter a S&V or at least give a lot of trouble for him/her if you see it coming.

Also, I use R1 serve from the beginning. I don't see if my opponent reads my serve or not. S&V in TS4 is all about the element of surprise against top players. I guarantee you, that if you S&V against Dennie and he knows you're going for it. You will lose the point 9/10 times. (If you use a player with 60 volley and less ofc)

I miss a devilish "not yet" These R1 serves should be put on the official cheese list, though.

Everyone can use them. They don't differenciate coaches (other than coaches with serve skills, but those skills do the same whatever serve you're using)

[djarvik]

do what you like, it is not forbidden at all.

I miss a devilish "not yet" These R1 serves should be put on the official cheese list, though.

in time, in time... It is similar to Welch. The users are in denial - non users shout cheese. I agree with non-users on this one.

[Tamthewasp]

Ary always Serves slice out wide first serve on his service game. That alone is ki.d of cheey plus with tbe r1 combo.

Ary has said "With these new rules I hold my my serve easy. Yeah its easy 2 hold serve when throw a wide slice in evry service game.

The last game we played whwn you had to leave I read your.serve thats y I was 1-0 but you has stuff to do.

[Ary1g]

Ary always Serves slice out wide first serve on his service game. That alone is ki.d of cheey plus with tbe r1 combo.

Ary has said "With these new rules I hold my my serve easy. Yeah its easy 2 hold serve when throw a wide slice in evry service game.

The last game we played whwn you had to leave I read your.serve thats y I was 1-0 but you has stuff to do.

I absolutely do not always use wide slice first serve In one game during a set maybe, but that's just to keep you guessing during a match. Some games I decide to only serve down the T, and hopefully I make you move a little closer to the T, giving me a chance to punish you with a wide serve. With 86 serve and low stamina, speed and power. My serve is my only big weapon. Wow. You really surprise me with these comments. If you read/know that a wide slice is coming, you can easily counter it with a short cross, putting me in a hopeless position most of the time. This is just whining from your side Tam.

Dennie, Bob, Zooloo, Likos: Do you think my serving is cheesy?

do what you like, it is not forbidden at all.

I miss a devilish "not yet" These R1 serves should be put on the official cheese list, though.

in time, in time... It is similar to Welch. The users are in denial - non users shout cheese. I agree with non-users on this one.

Avoiding my answer, Djarvik?

I play real tennis yes However,in TS4, the S&V modifier doesn't change the service motion a little. The whole serve motion is different. The whole body moves differently. It's not just foot placement that's different... or small tell signs in the characters face.. There are 3 different serve motions in TS4. Two regular motions and S&V modifier. You are blind if you can't differ them. Even if you have the Slice button pre-pressed, you can direct it short and force a drop shot or a bad shot, so it's not at all difficult to counter a S&V or at least give a lot of trouble for him/her if you see it coming.

Also, I use R1 serve from the beginning. I don't see if my opponent reads my serve or not. S&V in TS4 is all about the element of surprise against top players. I guarantee you, that if you S&V against Dennie and he knows you're going for it. You will lose the point 9/10 times. (If you use a player with 60 volley and less ofc)

[Tamthewasp]

Keep me guessing.,we both know youd service. First slice out wide 2nd power middlie 3rx powetr wide.,Thats without you you hitting faults.
You are still holfing r1 and a few times it has caught me out because the replay is on but when it enfs you are steiking the ball,

[Ary1g]

Keep me guessing.,we both know youd service. First slice out wide 2nd power middlie 3rx powetr wide.,Thats without you you hitting faults.
You are still holfing r1 and a few times it has caught me out because the replay is on but when it enfs you are steiking the ball,

I usually delivers second serves down the middle because I rarely get punished with a return winner by doing so(Safe serve). Also, I often get bad returns when powering it down the middle. You're saying I shouldn't do the serves that works? R1 doesn't help my service. 86 serve attribute helps it.

Anyway, this is the wrong thread to discuss this. I'm sorry for posting so many answers. I just get mad when someone accuses me for being cheesy. Approx a month ago, I gave away the next point if someone lost a point because the game engine didn't respond to the control shot button being pressed. I stopped doing that because nobody gave me points back in those situations. I always play easy balls down the middle until my opponent goes for a winner if I by mistake serve a zps and aren't able to direct it into the net. I never use drop shots on the run at the baseline. If I do, I do it by mistake and often give away the next point if I won it by the drop shot. I never tramline serve. Always at least a full step away from "tramline serving". I always try to improve my game to as cheesyfree as possible.

[Tamthewasp]

I'm saying islice wideis cheezy you fo it evry drrvice game on tne side of allows wide slice serves. You hold your serve easy becahse you serve wide slice. It is that simple pkus the r1 vinvo double cheezy

[Rob ITST]

Damn man, you need to give spell-check a try.

[supinesmokey13]

Lol, I had a feeling you would instantly come here to the forum. Like I told you the reason all my shots are so precise is becuase I know exactly how to place them like that. It's easy to put it away on the setup but I've played a new rule Rabary, and a new rule Grody. They could play like I could, I couldn't blow them away. The reason I could destroy you was because you just used a non competitive setup with low power, I had no pressure whatsoever on my strokes and could do what I wanted. (didn't even play so good actually) You talk about me like you just played a noob who could win because he has a very strong setup or something.

"A match against Grody was much closer match than against 86 power Neuwirth." Your talking like your playing setups instead of people.. Everyone plays different, some people suit you better than others. I can make these corners with every setup because I just know how to play them. You can say to me it's rediculous that my 74 FH is stronger then your 86 FH but when I just time better then you it's not so strange when you think about it.

Lol, you begin your post like I'm a noob. Come on, I don't want any bad blood between us. It seems to me that we have very much the same opinions about this game

Of course I would post my experience here right away. Been waiting a long time to play you, see what build you would use and see how good you are.

Anyway, No disrespect to you Dennie. You're a great player. I must correct you though. I didn't say I played A Grody, I said I played Zooloo using Grody. I think you and him are comparable in level. The last time you met in a tournament he beat you in straight sets. Therefore I don't think it's so wrong of me to compare those matches. Of course, I would very much like to play you using Grody too, so I can compare it perfectly.

Yes, Djarvik. I know that's reality. I didn't expect anything else, though I was hoping for something else than a 74/74, 86 powered Neuwirth. I hoped that there wouldn't be any Neuwirths so powerful, however I was wrong. As said, glad that Welsh is gone anyway. I'll just use Neuwirth. Got a nice hang of it right before this test tournament showed up.

Out of curiosity, what was the deciding factors with setting the limit at 42? Why not 50 for instance? Yes, many more builds would become unavailable, but it might make it more even. Bringing more AA into the tour. These rules are really promising. I think with some tweaks they could become perfect.

you could use a setup that gives you two orange wings good speed and good reflexes and stand on the baseline and take the ball earlier and send the power of these players back faster.

its a tactic that has worked well for me against power players i use a bickham setup with a 76 fh and 71 bh plus the 71 reflex allows me to stand on the basline and take time away from power guys. i have also develop a ian moore stup similar to my bickham set two orange wings and good reflexes to execute the same tactic.

[Tamthewasp]

:lol: Damn man, you need to give spell-check a try.

Lol. Ahhh by that time I was pretty mangled. Don't even think spell check would work.

Ary, Just saying i started 2 read your Serve in our last game thats why i went a set up b4 you left

[Ary1g]

:lol: Damn man, you need to give spell-check a try.

Lol. Ahhh by that time I was pretty mangled. Don't even think spell check would work.

Ary, Just saying i started 2 read your Serve in our last game thats why i went a set up b4 you left

I had to go irl, just to have that clear I was actually looking very much forward to that 2nd set, because it was a tight match that time. Don't want anyone to think that I'm a quitter when I lose

Fyi all, I will post statistics and my match experiences here after each match in this tester. Looking forward to my first match

[DennieFR1908]

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I don't like the saying of this.. Makes me think it's far from a clear case these rules will actually come. Would suck badly if it won't.

[ELTXETXU]

Please, someone could tell me which are the best setups with Neuwirth?? Or/and suggest me another great setup to try. My computer is broken, and i can't use the calculator! Thanks in advance!!

[Ary1g]

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I don't like the saying of this.. Makes me think it's far from a clear case these rules will actually come. Would suck badly if it won't.

I think it's great anyway that there are test tournaments. Fun to try out new things and see what people thinks. Personally I think that "no gray-attributes" could be a rule for a sim-tour thing if the regular tour stays the same. Ofc without MD, SoB and maybe TS invasion. Not sim-tour in the manner of pre-created roster, but sim-tour with restricted stats.

[djarvik]

This is only a test. Correct. But we have better things to do then run test tournaments without having a clear goal.


SIM tour for TS4 is officially discontinued. There will be a Pro Tour in its place very soon.