Regular Tour Rule Suggestion #3

[Ary1g]

I'm confused!!!.

Make Welch lvl 18 only. Babb at 20 is ok for me but maybe make him 18 also. That is all I want.

What are you confused about?

[Tamthewasp]

All of it.

[Ary1g]

All of it.

Max attribute points allowed 535. Meaning that all attributes combined must not exceed 535 points.

Example:

FH=80
BH=70
Serve=70
Volley=40
Power=70
Stamina=70
Speed=40
Reflexes=60

FH + BH + Serve + Volley + Power + Stamina + Speed + Reflexes = Amount of attribute points.

80 + 70 + 70 + 40 + 70 + 70 + 40 + 60 = 500

Which means that this build is allowed.

If the sum of all attributes exceed 535, you have to try out something different. Like trying same coach with a level 19 player instead of level 20.


Any questions?

[Tamthewasp]

This weakens rabari Neuwirth. Well evry1 really. It would still have Welch as being OP.

[djarvik]

Two opponent "A" and "B" running the 100 m distance. "A" is grossly overpowered and is getting to 100 meter mark first, by 10m. So what do we do? ...shorten the distance to 80 meter.

Yeahh....that makes sense

[Ary1g]

This weakens rabari Neuwirth. Well evry1 really. It would still have Welch as being OP.

As I've said earlier. Welsh, Babb, Gallo and a few more can only be used with level 18 player.

While most others can be used with level 19 and 20.

Therefore, instead of Welsh being insane with 550 points, he is forced down to 521 points and with only 3 wing bonuses(because you get the last wing bonus at level 19).

Grody for instance will be available at level 19 with 528 points total.
Meaning that instead of having 10 attribute points less than Welsh at level 20, Grody has 7 points more and all four bonuses with this rule.

It has to make a difference.

(For your record: I don't use Grody anymore.)

[Ary1g]

Two opponent "A" and "B" running the 100 m distance. "A" is grossly overpowered and is getting to 100 meter mark first, by 10m. So what do we do? ...shorten the distance to 80 meter.

Yeahh....that makes sense

Have you read my earlier posts?

[Ali-Iqb93]

simply reduce welch to level 18. nothing more needs to be done

[Tamthewasp]

simply reduce welch to level 18. nothing more needs to be done

Agreed.
I am implementing this as a new Rule.

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Implenting complete.

[Ary1g]

simply reduce welch to level 18. nothing more needs to be done

What about 98/98? Slavina 100 speed and almost same wings as Welsh?

Will it make such a huge difference, just removing Welsh?

All the "I use Welsh because he's OP" players will just move along to 98/98 or Slavina because they want the easy win.


This rule will increase the amount of competitive coaches in the tour. Along with preventing arcade and unrealistic builds.

[DennieFR1908]

yea but ppl, including me don't want 2 create all there setups again.. some played with em from the beginning there are other rules which can prevent these things as i said before. Your idea is to crazy.

believe me if they would listen to ur idea itst would be damned. There is no way they will do this so it's no use to keep talking about it it won't happen anyway =)

[Ary1g]

So ITST will be damned if they want a more balanced and interesting tour?

It takes 20-30 mins to create a new player.

Throw a test tournament, or a official poll to show people here that ITST always looks to improve the experience! Why is it so insanely difficult trying new things here?

[Rob ITST]

You want a new rule? Then try what I suggested 3 pages ago:

I think we should try having Welsh along with Level 18 before banning him.

I'd be interested in some feedback on that suggestion. Not feedback based on speculation, but based on actual play testing. Also, try Babb at OFF level 16, Slavina at DEF 17, and Gallo at OFF 17.

Play some matches with those characters. Play with them, against them, play them against each other, and play them against other characters.

If we're ever going to consider any new rule, it must have some real world testing - not just debates on the forum.

To be clear:

This is not Welch at level 18. It is Welch with DEF at level 18 (0-2-18, 1-1-18, 2-0-18).

The same applies to the others mentioned above (Babb 4-16-0, 2-16-2, etc).

[Tamthewasp]

You want a new rule? Then try what I suggested 3 pages ago:

I think we should try having Welsh along with Level 18 before banning him.

I'd be interested in some feedback on that suggestion. Not feedback based on speculation, but based on actual play testing. Also, try Babb at OFF level 16, Slavina at DEF 17, and Gallo at OFF 17.

Play some matches with those characters. Play with them, against them, play them against each other, and play them against other characters.

If we're ever going to consider any new rule, it must have some real world testing - not just debates on the forum.

Welch is used a lot on ps3 at 0 2 18.
I personally tried this a couple of months ago. Imo this is the best setup 2 use, granted the wings are a little less. The power gain is good enough.
Ultimaty you still have the extreme speed and wing combo


I also jave used snickers at 0 2 18. Still same story less wings and speed but dpes'nt really change anything.

I'm using a babb on 0 17 3 and have played against 0 15/5 babb.

The difference is huge HUGE!!!.

While on 0 17 3 The serve is still formidable. You may not hit aces evry songle shot but you will hit an awful lot.

Your wings and speed increase making it a lot more even in yhe rallies. 1 2 punch os still there and you can still smash the ball all day.

As for the 0 15 5 babb.

The big serve is there. You will hit aces but skill is required to do this consistantly.
Your wings are much stronger making this not all about the 1 2 punch and imo naking this a very strong combination of raw power and above average control. A very tough setup 2 play against.


So while the 0 17 3 is still a very strong service setup the wraknesses are still very clear 2 see. This is a very good option for players who want 2 serve the day away without being OP.

0 15 5 babb. I believe this is the best setup with babb. You can serve thefay away but need some skill to do so. Solid in rallies with an even mix of control and power makes this very dangerous.

To be clear:

This is not Welch at level 18. It is Welch with DEF at level 18 (0-2-18, 1-1-18, 2-0-18).

The same applies to the others mentioned above (Babb 4-16-0, 2-16-2, etc).

[Ary1g]

You want a new rule? Then try what I suggested 3 pages ago:

I think we should try having Welsh along with Level 18 before banning him.

I'd be interested in some feedback on that suggestion. Not feedback based on speculation, but based on actual play testing. Also, try Babb at OFF level 16, Slavina at DEF 17, and Gallo at OFF 17.

Play some matches with those characters. Play with them, against them, play them against each other, and play them against other characters.

If we're ever going to consider any new rule, it must have some real world testing - not just debates on the forum.

To be clear:

This is not Welch at level 18. It is Welch with DEF at level 18 (0-2-18, 1-1-18, 2-0-18).

The same applies to the others mentioned above (Babb 4-16-0, 2-16-2, etc).

Come on... Most players are using Welsh with either 2-0-18 or 0-2-18! Very few are using Welsh with 0-0-20. If you had played on either tour, you would have known this.

Welsh with a level 20 player(2-0-18, 0-2-18, etc) = OP, therefore he either has to be banned, or restricted. Easiest way to restrict him would be that he can't be used with any other than level 18. (0-0-18 ) This way he loses the last wing bonus and has 29 attribute points less than at level 20. With my latest suggestion, Welsh exceeds 535 at level 19, therefore it can't be used with any other combination than 18.

The same applies to the others mentioned above (Babb 4-16-0, 2-16-2, etc)

And how is that supposed to become easier to understand in a rule anyway?

Babb can only be used with 4-16-0 build or 2-16-2.
Welsh can only be used with 1-1-18 build or 2-0-18.... etc..

With attribute total at 535, we get what we want. Welsh much less powerful, and Babb much less powerful. What we get as a bonus with my rule, is that the weakest builds of today, will become much more competitive in the tour(since they can be used with level 20 players).

Have anyone read all my posts about this latest rule? And checked with the coach calculator? Or are you all just against me on principle? Even Djarvik comes with a joke that only reflects my suggestion on the very shallowest level, and doesn't take into account the depth of my suggestion. Disappointing, Djarvik..

If ITST want more realism and balance to the game-experience, then start testing new rules. As long as the management aren't lifting a finger to support new ideas and have test tournaments, most people won't care to spend time looking into a thread to see what's going on(since it's not any officials of the site who suggests it). Also, it's really about time we start experimenting with new rules for TS4, as the interest is falling, due to extensive use of the top coaches.