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Postby Saarbrigga » Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:54

Why laughing? :lol:

Richard Virenque won the polka-dot Yersey for a record 7 times. He was a great climber.
Charteau is a great and talented climber imo, but he still has much do to do get compared to Virenque, Bahamontes, Van Impe, Pantani, Charly Gaul etc.

@ Moralspain

Merckx and Hinault were in the mountains as good as Armstrong or Indurain. Merckx was able to go with Luis Ocana and Lucien Van Impe in the mountains.
The Spaniard Ocana was also a great climber, and Van Impe won the polka dot Yersey 6 times.

Merckx is generally considered the greatest cyclist ever because
- he won the most races (525)
- he holds the most important records (many of the Tour and Vuelta, also in one-day classics)
- he was the most complete rider in history. He had the tank of a great climber, time trialist, sprinter and rouleur.

Hinault was also damn good, won over 200 races. He was slighty weaker as Merckx, especially as Sprinter and Rouleur, but not much.

Armstrong, Ullrich, INdurain, Anquetil and the others were great time trialists and climbers, but no great sprinters or rouleurs. that differs them from Merckx and Hinault.

Miguel Indurain: "Armstrong is the greatest rider in the history of the Tour de France, not in the history of cycling. That s Eddy Merckx."
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Postby Moralspain » Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:17

SchwingerMongo wrote:Miguel Indurain: "Armstrong is the greatest rider in the history of the Tour de France, not in the history of cycling. That s Eddy Merckx."


so true
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Postby Saarbrigga » Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:37

OuiMr Berson wrote:Laurent Jalabert !
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Yes that was awesome by JaJa (his nickname is JaJa right?).

This feat (winning all 3 major yersey s) was just reached 3 times in history:

Vuelta: Jalabert 1995, Tony Rominger 1993

Giro: Merckx 1968

Tour: Merckx 1969
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Postby SlicerITST » Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:08

SchwingerMongo wrote:Why laughing? :lol:

Richard Virenque won the polka-dot Yersey for a record 7 times. He was a great climber.


Because he made it his goal in each TdF to win the polka-dot jersey. He was a pretty good climber. He made sure he was in long attacks in stages with a lot points to earn. He more then once gave up his position in the standings to be able to go on a long attack the next day.

Dont get me wrong, im not saying he was a bad rider or climber but his performances have to be looked at in a certain light. Not one year he was actually the best climber of the pack.

Charteau's win last year sparked changes in the points division. Which has proven to be successful. Sanchez for example was the one with the fastest time on the Alpe d'Heuz. Cyclists like that should win the polka-dot jersey.
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Postby Amazing Matheja » Wed, 27 Jul 2011 00:25

Slicer speaks the truth!
Sanchez was the most constant at top positions in the mountains too : most of time he was in the top 3... He was the best climber of the tour this year.
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And about Contador, yes I do think he' s the best climber ever. To me Alberto at his best would thrash anybody from the past and the present in mountain! He simply flies like a bee and sting like a butterfly in mountains. When he stands up on his bicycle and attacks, you see the most stylish and most effective climber ever... (my opinion). I give him a 10+ in mountain actually! Better that Armstrong, Pantani, Virenque, Rasmussen, Ocana, Bahamontes, Van Impe, Hinault... ;)
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Postby SlicerITST » Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:53

Amazing Matheja wrote:He simply flies like a bee and sting like a butterfly in mountains.


Poor him ;).

I agree by the way. I think Contador is one of the best climbers since the Indurain era. Everyone before i havent seen enough of to determine. They are just names to me.

Pantani comes close. He holds a lot of records of fastest climbs. Totally doped of course but everyone was in that era. (yes, Armstrong too).
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Postby Saarbrigga » Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:15

Yes the record in Alpe d´Huez is still Pantani.

The Top times:

Pantani 1997: 37,35 Min.
Pantani 1995: 38,00 Min.
Armstrong 2001: 38,01
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Ullrich 1997: 38,23

Prime Ullrich from 1997 lost just 22 seconds to prime Armstrong from 2001. In the 2001 Tour he lost about 2 minutes.

The bottom line is how do define a climber.
A 10 of 10 climber is to me not someone like Armstrong, who was most times brought by his team into the final mountain of the day, and do a mountain time trial for the last 10-15 kilometers.
Same to Ullrich in his best days.
A 10 of 10 climber is to me someline like Bahamontes, Van Impe, Virenque (his prior 98 version), Pantani etc., guys who could climb the whole day alone without team, riding up and down constantly for 100+ kilometers.
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Postby Amazing Matheja » Thu, 28 Jul 2011 01:00

SlicerITST wrote:
Amazing Matheja wrote:He simply flies like a bee and sting like a butterfly in mountains.


Poor him ;)
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OMG!!! I meant "flies like a butterfly, sting like a bee" of course... :?
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Postby jayl0ve » Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:17

Yeah those butterfly stings are devastating.

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Postby BIG JOLLY ROGER » Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:20

Mark Cavendish is leaving HTC highroad!! :(
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Postby Amazing Matheja » Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:02

And HTC is leaving cycling.
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