TS4 Cheese Statement (Fair Play at the ITST)

[maderer]

ITST Member:



The List:

Try keeping it realistic. When you have pushed back your opponent in a rally it is the perfect moment to hit a drop shot. If you want to know what is realistic, try watching some real life tennis matches, note when and how often drop shots are used.


Tramline serves. Moving your player out wide for serving is considered cheesy and should not be done.

Can we make it a bit more specific. "Try keeping it realistic"/"try watching some real life tennis matches" is open to different interpretations. A ballpark figure of what would be considered okay/max in a 6 game set would better define it is a rule so we can abide by. No rule => no restrictions.

If both players are at baseline we can still hit drop shots? I hope not, because once you figure out how to hit drop shots it kinda is open to abuse.

Tramline is the last position you reach when you go out wide to serve? Any position before that is okay to serve from?

[MrMackNasty]

There has to be a limit though. Or else people will disrespect them and play them every single point multiple times a point even if they aren't working. For some reason people conisistently play drop shots even when they aren't working for them. I really don't get it. They really should only be used if you have your oppenent on the run from solid groundstrokes, if your oppenent is way back behind the baseline, or its just a super long rally and you want to switch it up a bit. It shouldn't be used as soon as some1 returns a serve and then bam instant drop shot. its so annoying and completely ruins the match.

[Tuurbine]

There has to be a limit though. Or else people will disrespect them and play them every single point multiple times a point even if they aren't working. For some reason people conisistently play drop shots even when they aren't working for them. I really don't get it. They really should only be used if you have your oppenent on the run from solid groundstrokes, if your oppenent is way back behind the baseline, or its just a super long rally and you want to switch it up a bit. It shouldn't be used as soon as some1 returns a serve and then bam instant drop shot. its so annoying and completely ruins the match.

Yeap, I agree and thats the way it should be used. HAve you noticed also how typical it is that when you make a great drop shot your opponent in the next point makes also a drop shot?? Murphys law

Now getting more serious, there is nothing worse than been bombed with drop shots done on the run to get off a difficult situation, or continually as a drop volley, or as a return on serve, AND when there is absolutly no need to use it... and they use it....

[djarvik]

Just to be clear, these are not rules. We cannot set a limit on drop shots as there is no way to control it and I think it will be rather silly. Some matches may have 20, some 2 droppers. Both are valid matches. This is all very situational.

Cheese at ITST was always judged based on case by case basis and amount of complaints. Above are observational conclusions if you will. Based on the feedback received. We feel very strongly about these and wanted to make the community aware.

We cannot devise a rule saying 3 drop shots is OK, but 5 is too much. It is simply impossible. All we ask is to be reasonable, somewhat realistic and true to real tennis and just play your games, let us do the rest.

At the end of the day, just play Tennis and you will be OK If you not sure what tennis is, look up on you tube, find a full match (not highlight reel) and spend an hour watching.... you will get an idea.

[maderer]

Some matches may have 20, some 2 droppers. Both are valid matches. This is all very situational.

Maybe we should either define clearly the situations where drop shot is okay or put a limit on it per set. Just my 2cents.

Or only recourse is to quit the match and report to the tournament host that drop shots were excessive.

[Moralspain]

Some matches may have 20, some 2 droppers. Both are valid matches. This is all very situational.

Or only recourse is to quit the match and report to the tournament host that drop shots were excessive.

we encourage to not quit, finish your match and then report to the host.

[djarvik]

Some matches may have 20, some 2 droppers. Both are valid matches. This is all very situational.

Or only recourse is to quit the match and report to the tournament host that drop shots were excessive.

we encourage to not quit, finish your match and then report to the host.

Correct. Matches need to be finished regardless. The host will then decide on the best course of action.

We will not be placing a limit on drop shots. If you encounter such situation, in wich you feel you were a victim of cheese, finish the match, describe it to the host and move on. We have a good system in place of identifying players who cheese. You are not entitled to a replay or an automatic WO at any point. It will be entirely situational and your host will contact you himself if he feels the match needs to be replayed. You cannot request that.

You will be either helping us to identify the people resort to these tactics, or you will be helping to identify yourself as a person that complaints about all and everything.

[C4iLL]

So if Julius says his opponent Glitch Returns during all the game, the opponent will be disqualified ?

[Coolhand Texas]

placing a limit on drop shots would have been absurd. because if I run into a guy with high FH, BH and speed who is fine hanging at the back of the court and chasing everything down, then I will be hitting a lot of dropshots.

[Coolhand Texas]

So if Julius says his opponent Glitch Returns during all the game, the opponent will be disqualified ?

It takes more than one person to complain for a person to get disqualified. takes a whole lot more than one person.

[djarvik]

So if Julius says his opponent Glitch Returns during all the game, the opponent will be disqualified ?

Read again the post above yours. No one is going to be disqualified based on one complaint from one individual.

[Tuurbine]

placing a limit on drop shots would have been absurd. because if I run into a guy with high FH, BH and speed who is fine hanging at the back of the court and chasing everything down, then I will be hitting a lot of dropshots.

Totally agree

[ANILTJE]

Are you guys not reading right haha?? ****

Djarvik didn't mention anything that a shot will be banned or that we will limit dropshots or whatever.
But abuse of any shot that wouldn't work or you wouldn't see in a real tennis match but what does work in a video game is just not done.
I mean look at players like Novak or Hingis . They use dropshots but not 4 per game . Not even every game.
I mean I would never hit a dropshot in defense on breakpoint or on matchpoint . If someone is far behind maybe but even then I would rather win the point in style. I would feel cheap. But that's just me.
Not that you can't but it would just be bad taste. And in real life ( ATP) that would just be rather stupid if you ask me. Cause a drop can be a high risk shot unlike in TS4 and you would just mess up the matchpoint.
Look at Federer he is using drops more now. In the finals of 2010 Aussi Open he messed up a matchpoint . And honestly he is making some bad choices by hitting drops on important points where he shouldn't.
It way riskier in real life ( ATP)
I maybe use 3 or 4 per match mayyyyyybe per set.

Same goes for the no pace serving I mean when you will see Karlovic hit a 129 kmh first serve lol or only slice serving or only kick serves etc.
We all know how to play tennis .
I mean Nadal would be a huge cheeser in TS4 with his constant slice serves outwide . But ....there is a but. In real life it is hard to pull of that serve as well as he does.
Same for me with the forehand offensive power slices . How often do you see those in real tennis matches.

So this thread is really to remind you that at ITST we wanna simulate real tennis. When you abuse anything like for example dropshots or no pace serving or serving from the tramlines to give you the advantage that in real won't happen that is considered cheesy and not allowed here.

[Ugadalou]

If your intention is making the matches here look more like real tennis then it makes no sense giving so much emphasis on the drop shot (which is actually a shot that exists in tennis) and completely ignoring that wicked cross court slice when defending.
That shot is by far the most unrealistic shot in the game for me and a good player can use it to get out of difficult situations very often.
You are sure you've hit a winner or at least if your opponent manages to get a racquet on it you've got an easy put-away,...BUT here comes the slice that returns the point to ground zero!!
Not even pros can hit this shot,or if they do it always lands short or mid-court.This slice in the game lands baseline deep and gives all the time in the world for someone to recover.
Quite cheesy

[Immortal Strife]

If your intention is making the matches here look more like real tennis then it makes no sense giving so much emphasis on the drop shot (which is actually a shot that exists in tennis) and completely ignoring that wicked cross court slice when defending.
That shot is by far the most unrealistic shot in the game for me and a good player can use it to get out of difficult situations very often.
You are sure you've hit a winner or at least if your opponent manages to get a racquet on it you've got an easy put-away,...BUT here comes the slice that returns the point to ground zero!!
Not even pros can hit this shot,or if they do it always lands short or mid-court.This slice in the game lands baseline deep and gives all the time in the world for someone to recover.
Quite cheesy

If you can't use drop shot for defense or slice-what can you use to defend, lob dosn't work. If im on the run im using what ever is possible to stay in the point, period. I think everything in moderation is the key to avoiding cheesy play.